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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: Cultural Considerations |
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An important, generalized, cultural consideration:
Americans (& most 'Western' societies), are taught to value independent decision making, free thinking, autonomy & individualism. If someone succeeds (or fails), it's entirely due to their own efforts (or lack thereof.)
On the other hand, Eastern Cultures (such as Korea, China, & Japan), are taught to value group consensus, hierarchy, & family relationships.
Although there are always exceptions to these rules. I'm sure there are many Koreans who do NOT consult with family before making important decisions, just as there are Americans / Westerners who value familial input into decisions. The lines are becoming increasingly blurred due to globalization.
The conclusion from this in relation to the Virginia Tech shooting is that generally, Americans will hold the individual responsible for their own actions, NOT Korean society; & that Koreans will hold American society responsible for transgressions by individual Americans, on their turf. I actually live in Paju county, where the 2 Korean schoolgirls were accidently killed by the US tank several years ago. I've never encountered any hostility.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| leebumlik69 wrote: |
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre |
You make good points Jongno. The other posters are still selling American propaganda. |
Mentioning real, non-fictional massacres in South Korea and Australia is American propoganda? Could you please explain this? Using logic? |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
| leebumlik69 wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre |
You make good points Jongno. The other posters are still selling American propaganda. |
Mentioning real, non-fictional massacres in South Korea and Australia is American propoganda? Could you please explain this? Using logic? |
Not only that, but why am I being let off the hook? What were these great points that *I* was supposedly making? I just tossed out some wiki links, while the rest of you actually put some effort into your posts. 
But hey! If Leebumlik says I rock and you lot all suck, then far be it from me to question the judges' decision!  |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Your name's bumlik! |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: |
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lee is totally on point here! Obviously it happens in other countries, but it seems to happen a damn lot more in USA!
2004-USA
16,137 MURDERS
94,635 RAPES
401,326 ROBBERIES
854,911 AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS
Even after dividing it up to get figures in proportion to population, USA still takes the biscuit. At least compared to Sth. Korea!
They're a God send compared to you lot! |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| demi wrote: |
lee is totally on point here! Obviously it happens in other countries, but it seems to happen a damn lot more in USA!
2004-USA
16,137 MURDERS
94,635 RAPES
401,326 ROBBERIES
854,911 AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS
Even after dividing it up to get figures in proportion to population, USA still takes the biscuit. At least compared to Sth. Korea!
They're a God send compared to you lot! |
Wow. Amazing.
Let's see...
The U.S. has about 8 times as many people.
Also, when something happens, we actually report it to the police. Then, THEY ACTUALLY FILE THE REPORT! |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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You clearly ignored the part I said about dividing the numbers to get proportional figures.
Hmmm....are u being serious? Anyone who's lived here for more than a week and spent time intergrating themselves in this culture knows very well their murder, robbery and other violent crime rates, are incomparable with those of the USA. Divide up the figures to make it proportional to their poulation.
Do you believe they have 2,689 murders a yr? (or anywhere even remotely near that figure)
Do you believe they have 66,887 robberies a yr?
Do you believe they have 15,772 rapes a yr?
How about 142,485 AGGRAVATED assaults?
If your honest answer to these qsts is yes, ur either lying to urself or u really haven't spent much time here. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: US Bashing |
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'demi' obviously has either never been to the US, or spent a very limited time there. My sister & brother in law (who still have relatives there) have survived many trips there, & have not been assaulted, raped, robbed, or shot, even once. And they stayed in LA for a couple of weeks, supposedly the most dangerous part. They did avoid areas on a map marked as "drive by shooting territory", though.
And demi, it's not nice to kick any person or country, when they're down, & still licking their wounds. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure why almost every thread in the current events forum is based on criticizim of America.
South Korea is pretty safe but the daily warplane manuevers overhead remind me that that safety is relative and could end anytime. If I lived near the northern border, I don't think I would feel as safe.
It wouldn't matter how many gun deaths Korean had per capita, if the Korean tv stations suddenly all decided to broadcast anti-western programs, I would feel a lot safer in the worst parts of America than I would being a westerner in Korea. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Fresh Prince wrote: |
| I'm not sure why almost every thread in the current events forum is based on criticizim of America. |
This is because almost every poster on this site went to a university where hostility to America is the fundamental narrative upon which all other opinions are formed.
It doesn't matter than other nations have murders. All that matters in America.
Canadians can drone on for hours about the evils of America. How many conversations have we all had with FOTB Canadians who feel it their messianic duty to inform all in the room about how "we have free health care" over and over and over and over again. But, none of these people have any meaningful idea as to the very acute social problems in their own country.
It is part of the lie.
No matter what goes wrong in Canada (the same holds true for Europe and elsewhere) you just keep directing the attention of your population towards the United States and the status-quo will never be threatened. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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-The recent murder of 30+ by a Korean national
-8 killed at a military instalation along the DMZ (2005)
-around 198 killed in the Daegu fire by Kim Dae-han (2003)
-8 killed in Youido park by a driving madman (2001)
-Police officer Woo Beom-gon went on a rampage killing 55 people and wounding 35 others (1982)
Let's keep the stone throwing to a minimum. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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No matter what goes wrong in Canada (the same holds true for Europe and elsewhere) you just keep directing the attention of your population towards the United States and the status-quo will never be threatened.
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It's a perfect situation really. Everyone beeches about America. America doesn't care and doesn't change. Nobody else changes.
Sun sets.
Sun rises.
Repeat.. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| People in glass houses... |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
| People in glass houses... |
In 2005, China had two school massacres in it's public school. The killer didn't use a gun, but intead the killer used a knife.
If people didn't have guns, they would just use a different weapon. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| lowpo wrote: |
| If people didn't have guns, they would just use a different weapon. |
Only if they lived int the United States, because that's the only place where murders happen. |
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