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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
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No it wasn't a humanitarian mission.
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I agree and that was my point. |
I never said it was. Though if Saddam wasn't the killer he was the war probably would not have happened. |
Yes, and I'll also add that the war would not have happened IF Saddam had support and close ties with his Arab brothers in the neighboring countries. In the end, he had no powerful friends. The Saudis hated him. Kuwait hated him. Iran hated him. All of the Gulf states hated him. As far as OPEC was concerned, he caused so many headaches for everyone that the best thing was to see him gone for good. You know what, you don't see anti-war rallies very often in the middle east over this thing. Not many Arabs shed tears over the execution of Saddam. Most Arabs held celebrations. |
With all due respect for the record y many in the mid east were upset when Saddam was executed. |
I'm sure there were many people who were upset when Timothy McVeigh was executed too (as the amnesty protests no doubt proved). However, it's not a very popular thing to show sympathy, bitterness and anger over the death sentence. Remember that both of them were cold blooded killers who only really cared about themselves. They caused a lot of serious trouble for a lot of people. And just like Timothy McVeigh, Saddam had few sympathizers from even his own family members.
Remember that Saddam was put on trial and executed by his own people. They carried out his sentence with no hesitation. Sure there were a few sympathizers. There's a LOT of crazy people in this world and the Middle East is no exception. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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If you really care about Iraq, get over there and help the people out or shut the f... up and let people do there jobs over there in Iraq. |
Are you saying that the anti-war types either should go to Iraq or stop opposing the war? |
I was anti-war when anti-war wasn't at all popular, back in 2002 and 2003. I got a whole lot of verbal abuse from people for my viewpoints. I told people that the Bush Admin. was lying about the WMDs and people were ready to shoot me dead in America just for saying that. I was against this war because the reasons I knew back then were lies and I knew what it would cost. On the one hand I wanted Sadam gone but on the other hand I didn't want a war mainly because of the expense and the destruction as well as the loss of lives. But I said back then and I'm saying today... "if they go into Iraq it's going to be for the long haul and it's going to be expensive." They better not pull out now because the country MUST be rebuilt and the people doing the building need protection. Also, the military must do a better job to establish law and order over there or everything will be in vein. I wish they'd stop calling this a war and start mainly trying to rebuild as a moral obligation. |
Well, that is one of the better cases for staying that I've read in a while. But I still believe that the mere presence of Americans is causing more harm than any good that could be done.
If a truly multinational force of meaningful levels (as in 50k French, 50k Germans etc) could be assembled to rebuild and police the peace then I'd be willing to change my mind. But knowing how stubborn W is, I don't think he is man enough to ask. |
I wish there was a multinational force helping out and Saudi Arabia as well as the rest of the ME nationals should be there doing something. They have the means. As it stands, Jordan is doing the most by taking in so many refugees. The country is about the poorest in the region and having serious problems with water and yet it is doing all it can to help Iraqis. But there's going to come a point in time when Jordan says, "enough is enough."
As far as I'm concerned, Sweden is doing the most to help as they've taken in over 9,000 Iraqis since this war began. More countries could do the same, including the USA, UK, Canada etc. They could at least take them in for a short time until the country gets back on its feet again. I don't know when that will be. But I do know that if a LOT more countries and humanitarian organizations got involved from around the world, Iraq could stand half a chance. I'd like to see America stand back and let the international community take the lead, but I'm afraid that's not about to happen any time soon. Why? Because there aren't any/enough volunteers who want that dirty job. |
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