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[Ya-ta Boy]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[cbclark4]

All we ask is to be let alone.
Jefferson Davis

I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could
not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and
so the war came.
Jefferson Davis

If the Confederacy fails, there should be written on its tombstone:
Died of a Theory.
Jefferson Davis

Neither current events nor history show that the majority rule,
or ever did rule.
Jefferson Davis

Never be haughty to the humble or humble to the haughty.
Jefferson Davis

[cbclark4]

A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money
manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts
and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a
central bank.
Ron Paul

All initiation of force is a violation of someone else's rights, whether
initiated by an individual or the state, for the benefit of an individual or
group of individuals, even if it's supposed to be for the benefit of another
individual or group of individuals.
Ron Paul

Astonishingly, American taxpayers now will be forced to finance a multi-
billion dollar jobs program in Iraq. Suddenly the war is about jobs. We
export our manufacturing jobs to Asia, and now we plan to export our
welfare jobs to Iraq, all at the expense of the poor and the middle class
here at home.
Ron Paul

Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism.
Ron Paul

Cliches about supporting the troops are designed to distract from failed
policies, policies promoted by powerful special interests that benefit from
war, anything to steer the discussion away from the real reasons the war
in Iraq will not end anytime soon.
Ron Paul

Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending
should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who
create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers.
Ron Paul

Having federal officials, whether judges, bureaucrats, or congressmen,
impose a new definition of marriage on the people is an act of social
engineering profoundly hostile to liberty.
Ron Paul

How did we win the election in the year 2000? We talked about a humble
foreign policy: No nation-building; don't police the world. That's
conservative, it's Republican, it's pro-American - it follows the founding
fathers. And, besides, it follows the Constitution.
Ron Paul

I am absolutely opposed to a national ID card. This is a total contradiction
of what a free society is all about. The purpose of government is to
protect the secrecy and the privacy of all individuals, not the secrecy of
government. We don't need a national ID card.
Ron Paul

I am just absolutely convinced that the best formula for giving us peace
and preserving the American way of life is freedom, limited government,
and minding our own business overseas.
Ron Paul

I believe that when we overdo our military aggressiveness, it actually
weakens our national defense. I mean, we stood up to the Soviets. They
had 40,000 nuclear weapons. Now we're fretting day in and day and night
about third-world countries that have no army, navy or air force.
Ron Paul

I have never met anyone who did not support our troops. Sometimes,
however, we hear accusations that someone or some group does not
support the men and women serving in our Armed Forces. But this is pure
demagoguery, and it is intellectually dishonest.
Ron Paul

Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-
defense.
Ron Paul

Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy.
Ron Paul

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through
force of arms.
Ron Paul

The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in
Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating
no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our
people.
Ron Paul

The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are
held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
Ron Paul

The obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our
liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing
bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
Ron Paul

Throughout the 20th century, the Republican Party benefited from a non-
interventionist foreign policy. Think of how Eisenhower came in to stop
the Korean War. Think of how Nixon was elected to stop the mess in
Vietnam.
Ron Paul

War is never economically beneficial except for those in position to profit
from war expenditures.
Ron Paul

When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it
spreads.
Ron Paul

You wanna get rid of drug crime in this country? Fine, let's just get rid of
all the drug laws.
Ron Paul

[Ya-ta Boy]

[ontheway]

[Ya-ta Boy]

The biological reality is that humans are social animals, not solitary ones. Think lions and tigers, chimpanzees and orangutans. Humans are not the individuals you claim we are. You teach psychology, so you are aware of this but choose to ignore it and its consequences. Interesting but not too surprising.

One of the functions of government is to protect the individual from the group when the group is wrong. That is what this marriage issue is about. As far as the state is concerned, marriage is a civil union. What happens in church is a result of personal belief and personal choice. When a minister, judge or ship captain marries two people he is acting as an agent of the state. A minister blesses the union, but that has nothing to do with the state, or marriage either. Churches are collectivities that you claim to distrust. From time to time, people must be protected from these collectivities, as when the rattlesnake churchies in Tennessee (or was it Kentucky?) insisted on turning rattlesnakes loose inside the city limits as part of their religious worship.

Another example of when the state must protect people from collectivities is when businesses run amok. Strip away the power of the government and you leave corporate power to act as it wishes. There are times when that is dangerous.

Your view of 'individualism' is romanticized and sentimental.

[ontheway]

Many psychological conditions such as alcoholism are treated as a failure of the patient to take personal responsibility for his own behavior and actions. Individualism is in fact the treatment that many patients need to cure their problems. The patient needs to become more independent, more of a responsible, self-reliant individual and abandon dependency and socailistic tendencies that lead to personal problems.

[ontheway]

And, back to the spirit of this thread:


A recent Rassmussen poll shows that Ron Paul is leading all Republican candidates among African American voters.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[ontheway]

Thomas Jefferson, not Jefferson Davis:

No truthers. Real people. Why do they support Ron Paul?

They want Liberty:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOkv2IrbFG8

[ontheway]

For privatized marriage:


http://www.slate.com/id/2440/

[Ya-ta Boy]

Getting back to the spirit of the original post, does RP really believe that Lincoln was wrong to defend the Constitution or not?

As part of that, we know he objects to the jus soli part of the 14th Amendment. Would he alter only that part of it, or some larger part?

The genius of Madison's arrangement in the Constitution was not to deny that power exists, but to acknowledge the danger of power and construct a system of balancing forces to keep it in check. Much of the history of post-Civil War America is the history of the rise to power of corporate America and the struggle to protect laborers in a new and hostile environment. RP gives the impression that he would alter that by handing over power to corporations and leave the average person naked before the worst impulses of greedy capitalism. Is this true?

[jdog2050]

Look, I'm black, and I support Ron Paul. The issue of slavery is moot since no one could possibly answer what they'd have done in Lincoln's position.

Also, I'll go on record as saying different era's need different types of government. I believe that there's a need for central government, but so many aspects of government have gotten completely out of control--the DEA, the IRS, the Central Bank...none of those are necessary, and it's pretty clear that the founders would have been against them. Hell, there's pretty solid evidence that the revolutionary war started because of central banking.

It's time for us to realize that for every bone the government tosses us--social security, affirmative action, "education"--there's ten ways that we're getting completely screwed over. Maybe we have to toss the baby out with the bathwater and start over.