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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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 Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that's fair. I would just point out that greedy stupid elderly people exist outside of the GOP base too. Still the larger question remains. Past governments have promised many of these these people guaranteed retirement benefits in exchange for a little more than 15% of their respective salaries. Financing these promises will be a challenge. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate |
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| Madigan wrote: |
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| Madigan wrote: |
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| Was McCain on that list? |
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So, if McCain was elected, then you'd have the same problem with him? |
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You stated that Obama doesn't fit the ideology you support. You then listed the politicians that fit that ideology (Rand Paul amongst them). You further stated that McCain is not part of the group of pols that fit that ideology.
Therefore, I am asking that if McCain had won, you'd be against him ideologically as you are Obama.
Get it? |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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This conspiracy theory is unique because in all other are conspiracies it is supported by both parties for whatever reason. JFK assassination, Roswell/Area 51, etc.
There is an explanation of why both parties and all the government are involved and cupapble as they both benefit.
In this one, its one person, not even the party. It was a Clinton supporter in Pennsylvania that brought it up initially during the primaries.
Every pol has an enemy within their party as well as all the opposition party. Had there been reasonable doubt why didn't the Hillary Clinton campaign seize onto it? She was the front runner before Iowa. Obama was the distant challenger. Why didn't the Republicans during the national election.
This is one person and his supporters within a party. The Democratic party establishment at the time was firmly behind Hillary Cliinton.
So, this isn't a national government cover up if it is to be but by one man who has/had political rivals within his own party as well as another party bent on electing their man.
NEITHER did anything. Why is that? I'd love to hear birthers explain that. |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Get it? |
There is simply no way of knowing whether or not I would support president McCain if he were elected, because he wasn't elected. So why ask it? The answer is quite obviously I don't know.
However, if you were to ask if I voted for him, the answer is: No, I did not vote for him. You'll notice something about the politicians I mentioned in that none of them supported the TARP, Jeff Blake in particular. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate |
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| Madigan wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| Get it? |
There is simply no way of knowing whether or not I would support president McCain if he were elected, because he wasn't elected. So why ask it? The answer is quite obviously I don't know.
However, if you were to ask if I voted for him, the answer is: No, I did not vote for him. You'll notice something about the politicians I mentioned in that none of them supported the TARP, Jeff Blake in particular. |
You do know his ideology does NOT reflect yours so why is that not a reasonable question?
So, using your line of thought would you say don't know whether or not you would support a President Ralph Nader if he were elected? |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| You do know his ideology does NOT reflect yours so why is that not a reasonable question? |
I know that. You know that. You know that I knew that. So why bring him up? John McCain has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate |
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| Madigan wrote: |
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| You do know his ideology does NOT reflect yours so why is that not a reasonable question? |
I know that. You know that. You know that I knew that. So why bring him up? John McCain has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. |
Okay, I understand. So this post from yours does relate to the discussion at hand? Which is supposed to be about his birth certificate then?
The problem with president Obama is that he is a product of the university, an intellectual. He has fallen for the conceit that many intellectuals fall for. The idea that many ideas can be explored and tested, as in the university, by government as it relates to society. So I don't think that President Obama is a communist, an America hater or is actively trying to destroy the country as founded. Rather, I think he is governing to the best of his ability according to his world view. In short, it's his world view I have problem with, not the president (just to be clear). |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Madigan wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| You do know his ideology does NOT reflect yours so why is that not a reasonable question? |
I know that. You know that. You know that I knew that. So why bring him up? John McCain has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. |
Okay, I understand. So this post from yours does relate to the discussion at hand? Which is supposed to be about his birth certificate then?
The problem with president Obama is that he is a product of the university, an intellectual. He has fallen for the conceit that many intellectuals fall for. The idea that many ideas can be explored and tested, as in the university, by government as it relates to society. So I don't think that President Obama is a communist, an America hater or is actively trying to destroy the country as founded. Rather, I think he is governing to the best of his ability according to his world view. In short, it's his world view I have problem with, not the president (just to be clear). |
This has nothing to do with John McCain. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: Re: White House Releases President Obama's Birth Certificate |
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| Madigan wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| Madigan wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| You do know his ideology does NOT reflect yours so why is that not a reasonable question? |
I know that. You know that. You know that I knew that. So why bring him up? John McCain has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. |
Okay, I understand. So this post from yours does relate to the discussion at hand? Which is supposed to be about his birth certificate then?
The problem with president Obama is that he is a product of the university, an intellectual. He has fallen for the conceit that many intellectuals fall for. The idea that many ideas can be explored and tested, as in the university, by government as it relates to society. So I don't think that President Obama is a communist, an America hater or is actively trying to destroy the country as founded. Rather, I think he is governing to the best of his ability according to his world view. In short, it's his world view I have problem with, not the president (just to be clear). |
This has nothing to do with John McCain. |
What specific 'discussion at hand' were you referring to? |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the "discussion at hand" is about how silly it was that the White House felt compelled to release the president's birth certificate due to birther nonsense coming to the fore throughout the media. Well done.
That previous response was because some people think Obama is a die hard socialist secret Muslim. I don't believe that and wanted to make it clear. You, on the other hand, brought up McCain. I really don't know why you brought him up. I recommend you just stop because your pestering is really beginning to make you look more and more foolish. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Madigan wrote: |
Yes, the "discussion at hand" is about how silly it was that the White House felt compelled to release the president's birth certificate due to birther nonsense coming to the fore throughout the media. Well done.
That previous response was because some people think Obama is a die hard socialist secret Muslim. I don't believe that and wanted to make it clear. You, on the other hand, brought up McCain. I really don't know why you brought him up. I recommend you just stop because your pestering is really beginning to make you look more and more foolish. |
Its an open forum. I ask questions. You ask questions. Far be it for me to 'pester' anyone YOU answered all the other questions so if YOU did not want to answer anything you could have ignored the prior questions or simply said you did not want to answer it.
There was a reason for asking the questions that I was leading up to. Moot now as you don't want to discuss it farther. The McCain question was not out of the blue. It was related to a prior question about your ideology you stated. I gather the foolish statement is an attempt to deflect from having to answer as well as the pester comment.
YOU don't or can't answer the question for reasons unknown. Fair enough but I suspect because you were afraid to be caught up in some inaccuracy therefore the pester comment.
Obama bieng a die hard socialist or not is NOT part of the discussion at hand. YOU answered a question that did NOT pertain to the topic at hand but found it strange that I asked a questiont that did not either.
Its hypocritical if not dishonest.
No further questions. |
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Madigan
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Your rambling incoherence makes absolutely no sense. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Translation: I was about to be exposed for an inconsistency, so I will say he's rambling and he is pesteriing.
i'm done. |
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