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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Build on a human scale, rather than having monumental buildings surrounded by 6 lane roads. People like nooks, crannies, backstreets where you can wander, and roads that pedestrians can cross in a couple of seconds. |
1)Your perspective about 6 lane roads might be different if you owned a car and had to drive in that area.
2)You may like nooks and crannies, but there is a reason rental rates are higher on main roads- visibility and traffic. And tourists tend to stick to main roads rather than nooks and crannies. The whole getting lost thing.
3)Isn't Seoul already filled with side streets and whatnot? |
1.) Wider roads don't necessarily translate to better traffic flow. Just take a look around Seoul.
2.) Living on a main road is good - but living near one is just as good IMO. But a main road doesn't have to have 6 lanes or more. And as for tourists - what tourists? Maybe if the cities weren't so ugly, there'd be more tourists around.
3.) I love the side-streets in Seoul. Too bad the government and chaebol seem intent on demolishing them all to make way for more concrete, plate glass, and brand-name shops. |
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Kimchifart
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: |
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In the UK the local council can force building owners to clean up their property if it gets shabby looking. Korean cities could use a bit of that.
I'm still seeing too narrow streets without sidewalks even in new developments. It's clear that the developers are reluctant to make wide enough streets as it will lower the pyeong-age, thereby value, of the surrounding buildings.
Any street made in these days of mass car ownership should be wide enough for parking on both sides and still space for two cars to pass. And sidewalks.
The build-demolish-build cycle needs to be longer. A building should not be redeveloped after just 15 years. It means that no matter where you live, there's always some noisy messy construction going on nearby. |
The one thing I wouldn't change are the narrow side streets. Any soul this place had would be lost forever if it were all large wide roads. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:25 am Post subject: |
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The one thing necessary to make any of the things in this thread happen:
ENFORCE THE LAW. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Few koreans seem interested in nostalgia living like westerners do. In the west, people buy old barns, vintage homes, and decorate homes like different eras. I posed this idea to some koreans and they said it's stupid; The more modern the better. |
This is because the majority of Koreans have very little appreciation for art, design, aesthetics, etc. |
Confucianism is all about comformity, so one would expect not to find any real understanding/sympathy for the above beyond reciting what they've read in texts and magazines. |
Clearly you've never invested in anything...when money is tight, design and arts go out the window. I'm opening a store in another country...I'm also an artist....guess which part of the tight budget is getting the axe? |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:52 am Post subject: |
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The one thing necessary to make any of the things in this thread happen:
ENFORCE THE LAW. |
Change the culture > Enforce the law
The reason police aren't taken seriously is because they don't take themselves seriously.
The fact that most Koreans don't walk on escalators anymore (and will even block people that do) shows that targeted advertising (PSAs) has more of an affect than the odd police officer stopping the odd person. Koreans, most than most nationalities, will follow in tow when given an order.
I strongly think Koreans need to start being pushed into buying smaller cars and taking bicycles/walking more seriously. The size of vehicles and their amount of usage is all out of sync with the size and population density of the peninsula.
People also need to be pushed in putting the outside of their homes above the insides of their homes, too. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly think Korea needs to make like Holland and pay people to emigrate. There are way too many people here. Something like, the first 25 million people to sign up gets a bonus.
.....oh wait, that assumes the government isn't corrupt and actually cares about the people that elect them. Never mind. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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The fact that most Koreans don't walk on escalators anymore (and will even block people that do) shows that targeted advertising (PSAs) has more of an affect than the odd police officer stopping the odd person. Koreans, most than most nationalities, will follow in tow when given an order.
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Eh? What's wrong with walking on an escalator? Was there a campaign against it? Anyway people, including myself, do it all the time on the route to work I take. |
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Eh? What's wrong with walking on an escalator? Was there a campaign against it? Anyway people, including myself, do it all the time on the route to work I take. |
There have been countless threads on this topic over the past few years. The government started a campaign against walking on escalators about 3-4 years ago. They say it's dangerous, leads to accidents, etc. There are signs and posters encouraging people to stand rather than walk in just about every subway station in Seoul. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| They also started a campaign a few years ago to get people to walk on the right instead of the left. Put crap on the ground and everything. That has gone over real well lol |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I always see people walking up and down escalators in Korea. I do it myself because I am physically capable of doing it and appreciate the brief exercise.
Dangerous? Do they mean standing behind a Korean on an escalator wondering if they're going to pull off a sudden stop at the top or bottom. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I always see people walking up and down escalators in Korea. I do it myself because I am physically capable of doing it and appreciate the brief exercise.
Dangerous? Do they mean standing behind a Korean on an escalator wondering if they're going to pull off a sudden stop at the top or bottom. |
No they're more talking about people running on escalators and knocking people over than people calmly walking up an escalator, but they decided to go all the way with the campaign. Most of the video PSA about it show a man or woman knocking people over or falling on the escalator themselves. You don't want to fall on any stairs, but metal stairs, with somewhat sharp points on them that are moving? Not going to be a fun time. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| There have been countless threads on this topic over the past few years. The government started a campaign against walking on escalators about 3-4 years ago. They say it's dangerous, leads to accidents, etc. There are signs and posters encouraging people to stand rather than walk in just about every subway station in Seoul. |
Yeah seen those, I thought they were just about running. Strange. What do they expect people to do if their train's coming. Just stand still and miss it? Can't imagine them trying to do it in London. More people walk/run on the escalators than stand there. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| r122925 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
Eh? What's wrong with walking on an escalator? Was there a campaign against it? Anyway people, including myself, do it all the time on the route to work I take. |
There have been countless threads on this topic over the past few years. The government started a campaign against walking on escalators about 3-4 years ago. They say it's dangerous, leads to accidents, etc. There are signs and posters encouraging people to stand rather than walk in just about every subway station in Seoul. |
Yup. I always walk down escalators and I just as often get stopped in my tracks. So many people block you from walking on the left and even if they know you're behind them trying to get past, they won't let you because they think it's their duty to block you. |
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