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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| I find it odd to classify something that grows naturally upon this earth as a "drug." Though the dog guy mentioned that it had a generally negative effect on him, I can equally say that it had a positive effect on me, and in the exact same ways. I had a five plus year hiatus from it, but so many things in my life improved when I randomly got back on that wagon. I stopped drinking, I started playing the guitar again, I read more, I began focusing better, I studied harder and got good scores on my graduate school exams, my relationships with people improved, I started getting higher quality coochie, I started working out more, I felt more positive about things, I became more aesthetically tuned to the environment surrounding me, food tasted better, music sounded better, and I was simply just a better person. When I quit as a teenager, I viewed it as a bad thing. When I rediscovered it around my early/mid 20s, it had an extremely positive effect on my life. It's a natural substance that is here to help us evolve. There's no need to paint it with such a wide and negative brush. I did that for years... and I was wrong for doing so. Wish it was here. |
I think it all depends on how much you smoke. If you're high every waking moment (like I was) and couldn't go without it - begin jonsing for a hit the minute you come down, or start acting aggressively when you don't have it for a day or two because your supplier is out - then it's time to re-evaluate imo. |
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John Stamos jr.
Joined: 07 Oct 2012
Location: Namsan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| I find it odd to classify something that grows naturally upon this earth as a "drug." Though the dog guy mentioned that it had a generally negative effect on him, I can equally say that it had a positive effect on me, and in the exact same ways. I had a five plus year hiatus from it, but so many things in my life improved when I randomly got back on that wagon. I stopped drinking, I started playing the guitar again, I read more, I began focusing better, I studied harder and got good scores on my graduate school exams, my relationships with people improved, I started getting higher quality coochie, I started working out more, I felt more positive about things, I became more aesthetically tuned to the environment surrounding me, food tasted better, music sounded better, and I was simply just a better person. When I quit as a teenager, I viewed it as a bad thing. When I rediscovered it around my early/mid 20s, it had an extremely positive effect on my life. It's a natural substance that is here to help us evolve. There's no need to paint it with such a wide and negative brush. I did that for years... and I was wrong for doing so. Wish it was here. |
I think it all depends on how much you smoke. If you're high every waking moment (like I was) and couldn't go without it - begin jonsing for a hit the minute you come down, or start acting aggressively when you don't have it for a day or two because your supplier is out - then it's time to re-evaluate imo. |
No real argument there. That's how I rolled in HS, and I can't say it necessarily helped me all that much, it was just fun at the time. But my personal reintroduction years later offered me an enormous sense of clarity. Not that I had any major issues eating away at my deep unconscious self. The introspective realization of how you spend most of your waking life acting on this fake and biologically ingrained, ego-centric monkey competition complex, without opening yourself to what can often be a greater understanding of yourself and the world around you... can have a profound effect on certain people. I include myself in that category. I didn't need it and I usually only partook in the evening to relax. Cook some extravagant meal, walk my dog and connect with him on some level I'd never experienced before, and just view the world from a different perspective. Take that however you want, but I'm never a fan of the absolute condemnation of marijuana, I think it's an ignorant point of view to take. But, again, I was one of the people who viewed it that way for many years; and, again, I was wrong. I'm sorry for going off topic here... The whole idea of making nature illegal irks me, and I know too many successful and creative ganja smokers to believe the outright denunciation of the substance in question. |
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SoylaMBPolymath
Joined: 21 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| I find it odd to classify something that grows naturally upon this earth as a "drug." Though the dog guy mentioned that it had a generally negative effect on him, I can equally say that it had a positive effect on me, and in the exact same ways. I had a five plus year hiatus from it, but so many things in my life improved when I randomly got back on that wagon. I stopped drinking, I started playing the guitar again, I read more, I began focusing better, I studied harder and got good scores on my graduate school exams, my relationships with people improved, I started getting higher quality coochie, I started working out more, I felt more positive about things, I became more aesthetically tuned to the environment surrounding me, food tasted better, music sounded better, and I was simply just a better person. When I quit as a teenager, I viewed it as a bad thing. When I rediscovered it around my early/mid 20s, it had an extremely positive effect on my life. It's a natural substance that is here to help us evolve. There's no need to paint it with such a wide and negative brush. I did that for years... and I was wrong for doing so. Wish it was here. |
I think it all depends on how much you smoke. If you're high every waking moment (like I was) and couldn't go without it - begin jonsing for a hit the minute you come down, or start acting aggressively when you don't have it for a day or two because your supplier is out - then it's time to re-evaluate imo. |
No real argument there. That's how I rolled in HS, and I can't say it necessarily helped me all that much, it was just fun at the time. But my personal reintroduction years later offered me an enormous sense of clarity. Not that I had any major issues eating away at my deep unconscious self. The introspective realization of how you spend most of your waking life acting on this fake and biologically ingrained, ego-centric monkey competition complex, without opening yourself to what can often be a greater understanding of yourself and the world around you... can have a profound effect on certain people. I include myself in that category. I didn't need it and I usually only partook in the evening to relax. Cook some extravagant meal, walk my dog and connect with him on some level I'd never experienced before, and just view the world from a different perspective. Take that however you want, but I'm never a fan of the absolute condemnation of marijuana, I think it's an ignorant point of view to take. But, again, I was one of the people who viewed it that way for many years; and, again, I was wrong. I'm sorry for going off topic here... The whole idea of making nature illegal irks me, and I know too many successful and creative ganja smokers to believe the outright denunciation of the substance in question. |
I agree with everything you said. It seems bizarre for someone to immediately label you on the basis of their experience. Brain chemistry means that people will experience things differently. That's why some people can become belligerent drunks and others quiet and mousey. When I lived in California I smoked with lawyers, professors, and even a guy who worked for the sheriff's office. They were all professionals with families. Now bear in mind this was only MJ. Harder stuff...no thanks.
As for the topic...Outside of my family? Jukeboxes. I really miss going into a proper bar (not a Hof) and being able to select some tunes. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| SoylaMBPolymath wrote: |
I agree with everything you said. It seems bizarre for someone to immediately label you on the basis of their experience. Brain chemistry means that people will experience things differently. That's why some people can become belligerent drunks and others quiet and mousey. When I lived in California I smoked with lawyers, professors, and even a guy who worked for the sheriff's office. They were all professionals with families. Now bear in mind this was only MJ. Harder stuff...no thanks.
As for the topic...Outside of my family? Jukeboxes. I really miss going into a proper bar (not a Hof) and being able to select some tunes. |
A bit off topic, but although it's great you enjoy/ed the herb - I wish I had more - isn't the reason it's classified differently to alcohol is that it metabolizes very differently to units of alcohol and comes in varying strengths that can't be measured as easily?
Forgetting the fact it can be grown in anyone's garden, therefor reaping no taxes for the government, I believe detection of your cab driver abusing alcohol on the job is much easier than if he'd had a spliff at lunch. Yeah if you were driving while (a little) high you could be more attentive, but I don't want to take that chance I get into the right cab. With alcohol at least you can easily measure your intake - drink a bottle of beer at lunch and you're good to go - but with the herb it's a lot more difficult to personally and accurately measure how much THC you're taking in, isn't it? |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Forgetting the fact it can be grown in anyone's garden, therefor reaping no taxes for the government |
Have you ever tried growing weed?
It's not easy, especially if you want to grow hydro. Growing 3 to 4 plants is a full time job.
This tax argument is ridiculous.
Plus the government is not reaping any tax dollars now anyways. In addition, the government IMO is wasting tens of millions of more tax dollars to arrest, prosecute and jail people smoking a plant.
Again, your tax argument is just ridiculous.
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| I believe detection of your cab driver abusing alcohol on the job is much easier than if he'd had a spliff at lunch. Yeah if you were driving while (a little) high you could be more attentive, but I don't want to take that chance I get into the right cab. With alcohol at least you can easily measure your intake - drink a bottle of beer at lunch and you're good to go - but with the herb it's a lot more difficult to personally and accurately measure how much THC you're taking in, isn't it? |
Look man, weed is already widely available in North America and I never here in the news stories about blazzed up taxi drivers endangering people's lives.
This argument is also bizarre.
It's like you're grasping at anything to prove a point you know deep down is illogical.
Marijuana has been smoked by millions of people daily in the West for 50 years now. It's not like the sample size is small. If it was as harmful as you claim, wouldn't we be hearing countless news stories about it?
Instead you play these exaggerated hypothetical arguments.
In the end the laws against marijuana are doing way more harm to society than the actual plant itself. A plant which has never killed anyone for that matter. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Can anyone who doesn't reply like a stoner guy reply? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
Nobody needs to smoke weed, but a lot of Korean people definitely need to relax and stop being so uptight. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
Nobody needs to smoke weed, but a lot of Korean people definitely need to relax and stop being so uptight. |
Meh. Money doesn't grow on trees. Producing requires labor. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
Nobody needs to smoke weed, but a lot of Korean people definitely need to relax and stop being so uptight. |
Meh. Money doesn't grow on trees. Producing requires labor. |
Not talking about the work ethic - Koreans work hard, for sure. I mean the general ultra-conservative stick-up-the-ass attitudes here. Give them something to stop taking themselves so seriously, FFS. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
Nobody needs to smoke weed, but a lot of Korean people definitely need to relax and stop being so uptight. |
Meh. Money doesn't grow on trees. Producing requires labor. |
Not talking about the work ethic - Koreans work hard, for sure. I mean the general ultra-conservative stick-up-the-ass attitudes here. Give them something to stop taking themselves so seriously, FFS. |
Exercise, music, and a good book. Not a chemical cover-up. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
Nobody needs to smoke weed, but a lot of Korean people definitely need to relax and stop being so uptight. |
Meh. Money doesn't grow on trees. Producing requires labor. |
Not talking about the work ethic - Koreans work hard, for sure. I mean the general ultra-conservative stick-up-the-ass attitudes here. Give them something to stop taking themselves so seriously, FFS. |
Exercise, music, and a good book. Not a chemical cover-up. |
Not like soju, then? TBH, I haven't smoked pot for over 6 years, and kind of line with what you are saying, it has made me more active and my shit is more together. But it is hardly as bad as you seem to imply. I knew a lot of functional stoners, who were lovely people. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Can anyone who doesn't reply like a stoner guy reply? |
You're a coward. You can't debate me on the issues so you try to attack the messenger.
This "stoner guy" has destroyed you in the past on this debate
 and am perfectly willing to take you to school once again. |
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John Stamos jr.
Joined: 07 Oct 2012
Location: Namsan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
I could legitimately encourage it to all kinds of people and they would still have a free choice in whether or not to consume it. Am I a flatout idiot and a total blathering moron? Some may like it, some may not, obviously. I think you have a juvenile understanding of this topic, noted in your choice of words. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Just because marjiuana consumption should be a free choice doesn't mean it should be encouraged.
Anyone who says "These people need to smoke some weed" or "You're life is empty if you haven't smoked weed" is a total blathering idiot. And anyone who says "These people should legalize weed" while blathering on about freedom of choice and democracy and rights is a flatout moron. |
I could legitimately encourage it to all kinds of people and they would still have a free choice in whether or not to consume it. Am I a flatout idiot and a total blathering moron? Some may like it, some may not, obviously. I think you have a juvenile understanding of this topic, noted in your choice of words. |
"Your life is empty if you haven't done ritalin". Am I a blathering idiot? Yes.
There's promoting something and then there's the near-religious devotion some stoners show towards pot. Not just saying people should consider trying pot but that they need to try it.
It's when people go from saying it should not be prohibited to actively encouraging it's consumption that they lose me.
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| Not like soju, then? |
I don't endorse soju either. |
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