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rabidcake
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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 Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| IPayInCash wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
I came to the conclusion that the ones who do this are just reminding you that Korea is their country,
and no matter how much you try to fit in, how much you try
to learn the language, have a Korean family, no matter what you do
it will still be their country. |
That's why I'm at a crossroads with learning Korean.
My Korean is enough to get by but in no ways fluent. On one hand I can learn more and make my life easier.
On the other it will never make a difference how the ajummas and adjosshis give me and my smoking hot girlfriend looks of disgust and hatred every time we walk outside.
Korea is LITERALLY the only country I've been to that metaphorically screams into my ear "You're not welcome here!" I wouldn't recommend living in this dump to anyone.
Speaking of which.... I was with my smoking hot girlfriend walking her home once and one couple behind us literally shouted "Go home Yankee!" to me. I just ignored it, I knew if I laid a finger on them I'd have the cops called on me, but my smoking hot girlfriend refused to let me hold her back and chased them down, confronting them, and demanding an apology. To their credit the jerks actually apologized. My girl is one tough customer.  |
See, here's 2 things I don't understand.
1) You say Koreans are not respecting you, yet you have your GF confront people that disrespect you instead of yourself? Maybe if you had better Korean skills you can actually tell them off in Korean yourself instead of relying on your woman. Thanks a lot by the way, posters here complain that we are not respected in the community, it's stuff like this that contributes to that lack of respect.
2) No one accepts you as their own except you have a "smoking hot girlfriend" who is dating you? So maybe some people do accept you.
I don't care if you don't learn Korean or if you have your girlfriend defend you. She sounds like a tough girl. I do care a lot though when you say this place is "a dump", yet you have nice amenities and the only challenge in your life is being called out in public and having your girl fight for you. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| rabidcake wrote: |
| IPayInCash wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
I came to the conclusion that the ones who do this are just reminding you that Korea is their country,
and no matter how much you try to fit in, how much you try
to learn the language, have a Korean family, no matter what you do
it will still be their country. |
That's why I'm at a crossroads with learning Korean.
My Korean is enough to get by but in no ways fluent. On one hand I can learn more and make my life easier.
On the other it will never make a difference how the ajummas and adjosshis give me and my smoking hot girlfriend looks of disgust and hatred every time we walk outside.
Korea is LITERALLY the only country I've been to that metaphorically screams into my ear "You're not welcome here!" I wouldn't recommend living in this dump to anyone.
Speaking of which.... I was with my smoking hot girlfriend walking her home once and one couple behind us literally shouted "Go home Yankee!" to me. I just ignored it, I knew if I laid a finger on them I'd have the cops called on me, but my smoking hot girlfriend refused to let me hold her back and chased them down, confronting them, and demanding an apology. To their credit the jerks actually apologized. My girl is one tough customer. |
See, here's 2 things I don't understand.
1) You say Koreans are not respecting you, yet you have your GF confront people that disrespect you instead of yourself? Maybe if you had better Korean skills you can actually tell them off in Korean yourself instead of relying on your woman. Thanks a lot by the way, posters here complain that we are not respected in the community, it's stuff like this that contributes to that lack of respect.
2) No one accepts you as their own except you have a "smoking hot girlfriend" who is dating you? So maybe some people do accept you.
I don't care if you don't learn Korean or if you have your girlfriend defend you. She sounds like a tough girl. I do care a lot though when you say this place is "a dump", yet you have nice amenities and the only challenge in your life is being called out in public and having your girl fight for you. |
The last time I "confronted" an adjosshi in Korean we had the cops called on us. Nothing happened of course since it was the guys fault, but I've since decided it's better to just ignore the rude Koreans than have them pull the "the big bad weigook" card and contact the authorities. Or are you suggesting every time someone is rude/creepy to us (literally every time we go out--we were followed by two creepy adjosshis just last night) I make a scene and have the cops called on me? Lame. Not in this country, where the authorities side with the locals 99% of the time. Hence in my initial post ""I knew if I laid a finger on them I'd have the cops called on me". Now you'll respond with "Durrr u can respond without laying a finger on them!" Sound about right?  |
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rabidcake
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| IPayInCash wrote: |
| rabidcake wrote: |
| IPayInCash wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
I came to the conclusion that the ones who do this are just reminding you that Korea is their country,
and no matter how much you try to fit in, how much you try
to learn the language, have a Korean family, no matter what you do
it will still be their country. |
That's why I'm at a crossroads with learning Korean.
My Korean is enough to get by but in no ways fluent. On one hand I can learn more and make my life easier.
On the other it will never make a difference how the ajummas and adjosshis give me and my smoking hot girlfriend looks of disgust and hatred every time we walk outside.
Korea is LITERALLY the only country I've been to that metaphorically screams into my ear "You're not welcome here!" I wouldn't recommend living in this dump to anyone.
Speaking of which.... I was with my smoking hot girlfriend walking her home once and one couple behind us literally shouted "Go home Yankee!" to me. I just ignored it, I knew if I laid a finger on them I'd have the cops called on me, but my smoking hot girlfriend refused to let me hold her back and chased them down, confronting them, and demanding an apology. To their credit the jerks actually apologized. My girl is one tough customer. |
See, here's 2 things I don't understand.
1) You say Koreans are not respecting you, yet you have your GF confront people that disrespect you instead of yourself? Maybe if you had better Korean skills you can actually tell them off in Korean yourself instead of relying on your woman. Thanks a lot by the way, posters here complain that we are not respected in the community, it's stuff like this that contributes to that lack of respect.
2) No one accepts you as their own except you have a "smoking hot girlfriend" who is dating you? So maybe some people do accept you.
I don't care if you don't learn Korean or if you have your girlfriend defend you. She sounds like a tough girl. I do care a lot though when you say this place is "a dump", yet you have nice amenities and the only challenge in your life is being called out in public and having your girl fight for you. |
The last time I "confronted" an adjosshi in Korean we had the cops called on us. Nothing happened of course since it was the guys fault, but I've since decided it's better to just ignore the rude Koreans than have them pull the "the big bad weigook" card and contact the authorities. Or are you suggesting every time someone is rude/creepy to us (literally every time we go out--we were followed by two creepy adjosshis just last night) I make a scene and have the cops called on me? Lame. Not in this country, where the authorities side with the locals 99% of the time. Hence in my initial post ""I knew if I laid a finger on them I'd have the cops called on me". Now you'll respond with "Durrr u can respond without laying a finger on them!" Sound about right? |
I admire your method of handling those type of situations and can really respect that, avoiding/ignoring them is always the best course of action. I think most of us can agree to that.
Yet, your post talked about how your girlfriend went instead and argued. That's probably the worst possible outcome. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| No classes today, so I'm reading old posts. The OP's story is just unbelievable...until you remember where we are. Getting arrested for bumping into someone in Korea. LOL. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:22 am Post subject: |
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I wish somehow the old "I snapped an ajussi in the ass with a towel at the sauna" thread could be bumped (it was probably deleted)
The OP in that story spun an awesome tale |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe the OP on this, same thing happened to me except I never dealt with the cops because as soon as assaholla ajohshi started going berserk, I layed him down cold with two jaw cracking pops. And I ran got a taxi and got the *beep* out of there. |
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neilio
Joined: 12 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Do road rules apply to the sidewalk? Is this just an unspoken social law?
I have seen signage on the floors in subways, and divider lines on some sidewalks, but if there was a bad accident, would there be a law to come into play?
For example
Two Koreans walking, one on right side, one on left so they're along the same line. Both have heads down trying to flatten the *beep* outta their hair. They collide, let's say the one walking on the left got hurt bad. Is there a case for that person to press charges?
What if both people get injured and both want to press charges? Would the one on the right have a stronger case? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Even on the road here, with all of its clearly marked lines, fault is never 100%. They believe that if you're on the road, you're in part responsible... even if you were following the law. |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
But back to BUMPING....
Has anyone gotten the passive-aggressive shoulder bump while they are holding a Korean girls hand? I have and it was pretty blatant. |
I don't really get that. To be honest, I get bumped tons while out and about by myself... but when I'm walking with my wife and child (all holding hands), people often steer clear.
This brings me to my next theory... they only bump certain ppl. Seeing kids checked, or old ladies pushed down - that's pretty rare. But everyone else in between, they're fair game.
To me, this differs a bit from the west. Where I'm from, it's obviously rude to bump anyone - old folks and kids especially. But another group ya don't bump - able people - especially if they look like wreckers.
I was walking with a couple of (K)bodybuilding buddies a few weeks back, and noticed they got bumped into as much as me. When I told them that usually in Canada, ppl steer clear of massive guys, the excitement in their eyes was obvious. lol |
Unless you're talking about situations where there was ample space to avoid contact, this seems relatively straightforward. In less densely populated countries there's more often than not room to move out of the way. When space is at a premium, bigger people are going to get bumped more, simply due to having more surface area. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I kind of want to start screaming and take a dive, futbol style, when someone bumps me just to freak them out. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| I believe the OP on this, same thing happened to me except I never dealt with the cops because as soon as assaholla ajohshi started going berserk, I layed him down cold with two jaw cracking pops. And I ran got a taxi and got the *beep* out of there. |
Thats what the OP should've done. Instead he let the whole thing escalate.
The longer these scenarios drag on for, the higher the chance of the police appearing..the ajosshi making up porkies, and the foreigner getting shafted. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
| I believe the OP on this, same thing happened to me except I never dealt with the cops because as soon as assaholla ajohshi started going berserk, I layed him down cold with two jaw cracking pops. And I ran got a taxi and got the *beep* out of there. |
Thats what the OP should've done. Instead he let the whole thing escalate.
The longer these scenarios drag on for, the higher the chance of the police appearing..the ajosshi making up porkies, and the foreigner getting shafted. |
i totally agree with this (though I would never condone violence in any way).
My rules are basically dont crap on your own doorstep. My doorstep being a/ in front of a cctv camera b/ near my home c/ where its possible to trace my name d/ near (within 500 metres) of my workplace.
Every where else is fair game. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Brought this topic up during my lunch time class today (adults).
1. Do you ever get bumped or shoved?
Students: Yes, OFTEN. Especially on the subway.
2. What other big cities have you been to, and did it happen to you there?
Students listed off numerous big cities and agreed that it mainly happened in Korea and China.
3. Why do you think it happens more here?
The two main theories were...
-Koreans have a much smaller acceptable personal space
-Koreans aren't as bothered by it. |
It only happens in Korea and China. What they don't want to admit is that it is not about personal space (other countries have similar views with regard to that) but about the non-personhood of a stranger in Confuscian culture, which exists in China and Korea. Until someone is introduced to you by friends, they are essentially not a person.
It doesn't happen in Taiwan (Han that have been modernized). It doesn't happen in moderate income countries like Thailand, or lower income countries like Cambodia. Some places pride themselves on certain social manners whatever their income levels.
I used to think the younger people in Korea had better social manners while out in public. But they are the ones with their heads buried in their phone screen, walking half the speed of everyone else, with their earphones in, refusing to look up their entire walk home. "To hell with anyone else, I do what I want and I don't look around." That is the same attitude as the pushy old people who raised them.
Most of the young people are wandering around looking at the ground with their brain turned off, just like they were back in school where they spent most of their life staring down at a desk with their brain turned off.
Military service should be replaced with a six month trip to Japan to learn manners, for both men and women. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Military service should be replaced with a six month trip to Japan to learn manners, for both men and women.
the non-personhood of a stranger in Confuscian culture, which exists in China and Korea |
The difference though is that the Chinese launch massive campaigns to correct their bad manners, particularly among their travellers.
Korea however is either unaware that it has a problem, or too proud to admit it. |
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orosee
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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Military service should be replaced with a six month trip to Japan to learn manners, for both men and women.
the non-personhood of a stranger in Confuscian culture, which exists in China and Korea |
The difference though is that the Chinese launch massive campaigns to correct their bad manners, particularly among their travellers.
Korea however is either unaware that it has a problem, or too proud to admit it. |
What will people here say once the old "it's worse in China" excuse doesn't hold anymore?
Not that I'm expecting this to happen soon. |
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