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alongway
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| (Don't tell me you've already forgotten about the free shipping BC card is offering? Is that why you keep bringing up dementia, this memory loss problem of yours? I hope you can get some medical help for that in Korea.) |
I remember it, but you can't get free shipping on something that can't be shipped to Korea. Even with free shipping, the jacket was cheaper in Korea. As are other things, like a large Lego set a friend wanted to get for their nephew today. I fully expected it to be cheaper in the states, but Gmarket (without any special coupons or credit cards) has it about 5% cheaper than Amazon, not even counting shipping. Of course we could trade anecdotal examples all day and you'd start wandering off into fantasy land before long again.
and again, there was no mention of washing machines in the news, just your own little personal pipe dream.
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| Damn straight Canada was an expensive place, at least Vancouver was when I visited there. I haven't been to the UK. But this is a forum about life in Korea. |
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| You're also wrong about education and the motivations of those involved in it, at least in the U.S. There are a great many people there who see education as a calling, |
Which is it hypocrite?
Or is it only okay for people to make comparisons to other countries when you're that person making the comparison?
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Ms. Park, you're so lost I've not idea what you're going on about.
As for that Lego set, I bet it's not the same one. Apples to apples, Ms. Park, is a fundamental necessity when making comparisons. Try and remember that. |
You just made a point about this being a forum about Korea, and thus the comparison to Canada was pointless. So why are you comparing the people in the education system here to those in America?
and yes, the Lego sets were the same identical model number, another desperate lunge.
Currently $145 on Amazon
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138,750 on Gmarket, 117,000 if you buy it with the right credit card, not something you'll generally see in the US. 135,000 at Blockzone, but no additional included credit card discounts.
Actually that's closer to a 10% difference, not 5. My mistake. Even if you found the set on-sale somewhere for Christmas, its unlikely you'd beat the $111 equivalent price of the gmarket credit card discount, which is something like North American sales, but all year round. |
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mayorhaggar
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| (Don't tell me you've already forgotten about the free shipping BC card is offering? Is that why you keep bringing up dementia, this memory loss problem of yours? I hope you can get some medical help for that in Korea.) |
I remember it, but you can't get free shipping on something that can't be shipped to Korea. Even with free shipping, the jacket was cheaper in Korea. As are other things, like a large Lego set a friend wanted to get for their nephew today. I fully expected it to be cheaper in the states, but Gmarket (without any special coupons or credit cards) has it about 5% cheaper than Amazon, not even counting shipping. Of course we could trade anecdotal examples all day and you'd start wandering off into fantasy land before long again.
and again, there was no mention of washing machines in the news, just your own little personal pipe dream.
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| Damn straight Canada was an expensive place, at least Vancouver was when I visited there. I haven't been to the UK. But this is a forum about life in Korea. |
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| You're also wrong about education and the motivations of those involved in it, at least in the U.S. There are a great many people there who see education as a calling, |
Which is it hypocrite?
Or is it only okay for people to make comparisons to other countries when you're that person making the comparison?
the missteps just multiply.. |
Ms. Park, you're so lost I've not idea what you're going on about.
As for that Lego set, I bet it's not the same one. Apples to apples, Ms. Park, is a fundamental necessity when making comparisons. Try and remember that. |
You just made a point about this being a forum about Korea, and thus the comparison to Canada was pointless. So why are you comparing the people in the education system here to those in America?
and yes, the Lego sets were the same identical model number, another desperate lunge.
Currently $145 on Amazon
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138,750 on Gmarket, 117,000 if you buy it with the right credit card, not something you'll generally see in the US. 135,000 at Blockzone, but no additional included credit card discounts.
Actually that's closer to a 10% difference, not 5. My mistake. Even if you found the set on-sale somewhere for Christmas, its unlikely you'd beat the $111 equivalent price of the gmarket credit card discount, which is something like North American sales, but all year round. |
Ms. Park, re American teachers, I didn't bring that up; blind rabbit did. Don't forget what the momma tomato said to the baby tomato, "Better catch up."
As for the Lego, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again. Unfortunately for me, I'm past the toy buying stage. But I hope you enjoy them. Could you post some pics of your creations?
Not until after Christmas though. You shouldn't open your presents early. Good boys and girls are patient.
BTW, you're not much of a shopper. Regular price from the Lego store is $119.95. http://shop.lego.com/en-US/The-Lion-CHI-Temple-70010 But is on sale for $99.99 at Toys r Us: [/url]http://www.toysrus.com/buy/lego-legends-of-chima/lego-legends-of-chima-the-lion-chi-temple-70010-6024463-19249576[url]
But with a little luck this one could be yours for $88.50: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lego-Chima-70010-The-Lion-CHI-Temple-/321274958444?pt=Building_Toys_US&hash=item4acd7ad26c
But you'd probably want to buy this one from South Korea at $279.99: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEGO-Legends-Of-CHIMA-70010-The-Lion-CHI-Temple-NEW-In-Box-Factory-Sealed-/221233953236?pt=Building_Toys_US&hash=item33829239d4
What a deal!
Looks like you've been a bit dishonest in your price comparisons, Ms. Park. Santa Claus isn't going to like that. No Lego for you.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't LG and/or Samsung manufacture some of its TVs in Mexico? |
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Steelrails
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| Your comments about education have nothing to do with what motivates people to enter that field, |
So people in Korea and the US have uniform reasons for wanting to be teachers?
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| How many shootings have their been in American schools just this year? And yet, American teachers dutifully go to work even though their lives are, to some degree, at risk. That's dedication to something you believe in, blind rabbit. |
That's you trying to put lipstick on a pig. Do you even believe that?
Taxi drivers in America have one of the highest rates of murder, so do convenience store owners. Are you saying that they are deeply committed to the principles of paid private transportation or the convenient sale of alcohol and cigarettes?
The average American teacher doesn't wake up in the morning thinking about school shootings and choosing to go to school in the face of danger like they're about to go into Afghanistan. Do you really think that everyday they're saying "I deeply believe in the education system"? Do you think my gym teacher who took us to rooms for "meditation" and then came back reeking of weed, was later arrested for solicitation and carrying a firearm, was committed to the cause? How bout my habitually drunk teacher? How about the teacher who spoke to the 5 kids that were paying attention and the the other 25 run wild? Or the teacher that didn't even bat a eye when one kid beat the crap out of another because he wasn't going to stick his neck out and risk getting sued or jumped?
Yes, some cared deeply. Some also didn't care at all. Some just did a competent, at times caring, job. Dude, I went to school in America and my mother was a public school teacher. You can't BS me on this one about the "noble teaching spirit".
And especially not to all these people who can talk about that professor in college who made you buy his textbook brand new edition every year that cost north of 100 bucks. Not to all of those out there who got caught up in the student loan racket.
If American schools care so deeply about academics, why is the highest paid person at universities usually the athletic director or the football coach or the basketball coach? Why do kids at high schools across America have great football facilities and textbooks talking about pictures of modern politics and showing pictures of HW Bush, Clinton, and Ross Perot?
Seriously, dude. You're spewing Baghdad Bob type propaganda with this "American education is all about the commitment to academics". And that people are in there as part of a "calling". Good grief, you're on the verge of spouting religion there.
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| Back on topic: Korean prices are sky high, and that you cannot deny. |
Some things in Korea are more expensive. I can't imagine why in a country that is essentially an island (minimal trade from the North), that has little in the way of natural resources, imports all of its petroleum and natural gas, not the greatest amount of arable land, with an incredibly high population density, and a weak currency designed to stimulate exports, has higher prices. Unfathomable. Must be because of their greed. Can't possibly be because of those other things. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Your comments about education have nothing to do with what motivates people to enter that field, |
So people in Korea and the US have uniform reasons for wanting to be teachers?
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| How many shootings have their been in American schools just this year? And yet, American teachers dutifully go to work even though their lives are, to some degree, at risk. That's dedication to something you believe in, blind rabbit. |
That's you trying to put lipstick on a pig. Do you even believe that?
Taxi drivers in America have one of the highest rates of murder, so do convenience store owners. Are you saying that they are deeply committed to the principles of paid private transportation or the convenient sale of alcohol and cigarettes?
The average American teacher doesn't wake up in the morning thinking about school shootings and choosing to go to school in the face of danger like they're about to go into Afghanistan. Do you really think that everyday they're saying "I deeply believe in the education system"? Do you think my gym teacher who took us to rooms for "meditation" and then came back reeking of weed, was later arrested for solicitation and carrying a firearm, was committed to the cause? How bout my habitually drunk teacher? How about the teacher who spoke to the 5 kids that were paying attention and the the other 25 run wild? Or the teacher that didn't even bat a eye when one kid beat the crap out of another because he wasn't going to stick his neck out and risk getting sued or jumped?
Yes, some cared deeply. Some also didn't care at all. Some just did a competent, at times caring, job. Dude, I went to school in America and my mother was a public school teacher. You can't BS me on this one about the "noble teaching spirit".
And especially not to all these people who can talk about that professor in college who made you buy his textbook brand new edition every year that cost north of 100 bucks. Not to all of those out there who got caught up in the student loan racket.
If American schools care so deeply about academics, why is the highest paid person at universities usually the athletic director or the football coach or the basketball coach? Why do kids at high schools across America have great football facilities and textbooks talking about pictures of modern politics and showing pictures of HW Bush, Clinton, and Ross Perot?
Seriously, dude. You're spewing Baghdad Bob type propaganda with this "American education is all about the commitment to academics". And that people are in there as part of a "calling". Good grief, you're on the verge of spouting religion there.
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| Back on topic: Korean prices are sky high, and that you cannot deny. |
Some things in Korea are more expensive. I can't imagine why in a country that is essentially an island (minimal trade from the North), that has little in the way of natural resources, imports all of its petroleum and natural gas, not the greatest amount of arable land, with an incredibly high population density, and a weak currency designed to stimulate exports, has higher prices. Unfathomable. Must be because of their greed. Can't possibly be because of those other things. |
So your mother was a crappy teacher in it only for the money and now you're following in her footsteps?
I guess that figures.
Ah, the "poor Korea" defense. You've insulted your own mother, and now you resort to cliche. There are no depths to which you will not stoop, are there? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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The reason I mentioned my mother's experience as a teacher was me being privy to all that went on in the school system and listening to other teachers. Some teachers were deeply committed. Some were committed in another way, but were forced to follow certain guidelines that they didn't agree with. Some didn't care beyond much more than a paycheck. Some cared more about the teacher's union than student education. Some administrators cared a lot. Some were more concerned with advancement and agendas than education. As her child, I was able to listen to those things.
The point is that you can't just toss out the claims you are making, painting Korean teachers as little more than greedy babysitters and American teachers as upholding academic principles. Please.
At no point did I discuss my own teaching or her teaching. I don't think we need to take it to that level to have this discussion.
Anyways, after looking into things a bit more, it appears that LG has manufacturing centers in Mexico. Might that have something to do with the price and not "Korean greed"? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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The reason I mentioned my mother's experience as a teacher was me being privy to all that went on in the school system and listening to other teachers. Some teachers were deeply committed. Some were committed in another way, but were forced to follow certain guidelines that they didn't agree with. Some didn't care beyond much more than a paycheck. Some cared more about the teacher's union than student education. Some administrators cared a lot. Some were more concerned with advancement and agendas than education. As her child, I was able to listen to those things.
The point is that you can't just toss out the claims you are making, painting Korean teachers as little more than greedy babysitters and American teachers as upholding academic principles. Please.
At no point did I discuss my own teaching or her teaching. I don't think we need to take it to that level to have this discussion.
Anyways, after looking into things a bit more, it appears that LG has manufacturing centers in Mexico. Might that have something to do with the price and not "Korean greed"? |
I never posted anything close to that. You can't stop with the lies, can you?
You brought your mother into this, not me, and it was your poor writing skills that lead to you implying she was a bad teacher, not me.
A product's country of origin has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. Go muddy someone else's waters.
AND STOP LYING! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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I never posted anything close to that. You can't stop with the lies, can you?
You brought your mother into this, not me, and it was your poor writing skills that lead to you implying she was a bad teacher, not me.
A product's country of origin has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. Go muddy someone else's waters.
AND STOP LYING! |
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| There are a great many people there who see education as a calling, unlike in Korea where it's a "stable" job. Korea is a very materialistic society where everything usually comes down to money. |
I restate your words into harsher terms. You flat out make things up like "teaching is a calling in America" or that its not about the money there.
Any comment on the athletics spending? Any comment on the LG Mexico plants? kinda silent there. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| (Don't tell me you've already forgotten about the free shipping BC card is offering? Is that why you keep bringing up dementia, this memory loss problem of yours? I hope you can get some medical help for that in Korea.) |
I remember it, but you can't get free shipping on something that can't be shipped to Korea. Even with free shipping, the jacket was cheaper in Korea. As are other things, like a large Lego set a friend wanted to get for their nephew today. I fully expected it to be cheaper in the states, but Gmarket (without any special coupons or credit cards) has it about 5% cheaper than Amazon, not even counting shipping. Of course we could trade anecdotal examples all day and you'd start wandering off into fantasy land before long again.
and again, there was no mention of washing machines in the news, just your own little personal pipe dream.
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| Damn straight Canada was an expensive place, at least Vancouver was when I visited there. I haven't been to the UK. But this is a forum about life in Korea. |
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| You're also wrong about education and the motivations of those involved in it, at least in the U.S. There are a great many people there who see education as a calling, |
Which is it hypocrite?
Or is it only okay for people to make comparisons to other countries when you're that person making the comparison?
the missteps just multiply.. |
Ms. Park, you're so lost I've not idea what you're going on about.
As for that Lego set, I bet it's not the same one. Apples to apples, Ms. Park, is a fundamental necessity when making comparisons. Try and remember that. |
You just made a point about this being a forum about Korea, and thus the comparison to Canada was pointless. So why are you comparing the people in the education system here to those in America?
and yes, the Lego sets were the same identical model number, another desperate lunge.
Currently $145 on Amazon
vs
138,750 on Gmarket, 117,000 if you buy it with the right credit card, not something you'll generally see in the US. 135,000 at Blockzone, but no additional included credit card discounts.
Actually that's closer to a 10% difference, not 5. My mistake. Even if you found the set on-sale somewhere for Christmas, its unlikely you'd beat the $111 equivalent price of the gmarket credit card discount, which is something like North American sales, but all year round. |
Ms. Park, re American teachers, I didn't bring that up; blind rabbit did. Don't forget what the momma tomato said to the baby tomato, "Better catch up."
As for the Lego, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again. Unfortunately for me, I'm past the toy buying stage. But I hope you enjoy them. Could you post some pics of your creations?
Not until after Christmas though. You shouldn't open your presents early. Good boys and girls are patient.
BTW, you're not much of a shopper. Regular price from the Lego store is $119.95. http://shop.lego.com/en-US/The-Lion-CHI-Temple-70010 But is on sale for $99.99 at Toys r Us: [/url]http://www.toysrus.com/buy/lego-legends-of-chima/lego-legends-of-chima-the-lion-chi-temple-70010-6024463-19249576[url]
But with a little luck this one could be yours for $88.50: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lego-Chima-70010-The-Lion-CHI-Temple-/321274958444?pt=Building_Toys_US&hash=item4acd7ad26c
But you'd probably want to buy this one from South Korea at $279.99: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEGO-Legends-Of-CHIMA-70010-The-Lion-CHI-Temple-NEW-In-Box-Factory-Sealed-/221233953236?pt=Building_Toys_US&hash=item33829239d4
What a deal!
Looks like you've been a bit dishonest in your price comparisons, Ms. Park. Santa Claus isn't going to like that. No Lego for you.
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Speaking of dishonest.. do you really want to bring in a price for an auction that is in the middle of the auction? Just more desperate reaching.
following your logic, this must make Amazon another greedy retailer, they're charging over $40 more than Toys R Us, not to mention the fact that the official Lego store is charging 198,000 for that same set in Korea. So who is greedy? Is it the Korean retailers or the foreign companies?
Seems to me if the official store is selling it at 198,000 and the Korean retailers are charging 111-140,000, it's not the Korean retailers who are being greedy. |
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atwood
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:46 am Post subject: |
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I never posted anything close to that. You can't stop with the lies, can you?
You brought your mother into this, not me, and it was your poor writing skills that lead to you implying she was a bad teacher, not me.
A product's country of origin has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. Go muddy someone else's waters.
AND STOP LYING! |
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| There are a great many people there who see education as a calling, unlike in Korea where it's a "stable" job. Korea is a very materialistic society where everything usually comes down to money. |
I restate your words into harsher terms. You flat out make things up like "teaching is a calling in America" or that its not about the money there.
Any comment on the athletics spending? Any comment on the LG Mexico plants? kinda silent there. |
In other words you twist them.
No one is getting rich teaching in American public high schools. No one goes into teaching thinking that it's great money or the best way to support themselves or their families. And many who come in with banners flying and trumpets blaring find it's not worth it or burn out.
Saying that teaching is a calling in the U.S. is an accurate statement. I'm a public school graduate and a former public school teacher. You're a BS artist.
In Korea, they have more teachers than they know what to do with. In the U.S. they have difficulty recruiting teachers. Where's the money at?
I already answered you regarding your Mexican red herring.
As for athletics, I think Dennis Rodman's got more sense than you, blind rabbit.
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| No one is getting rich teaching in American public high schools. No one goes into teaching thinking that it's great money or the best way to support themselves or their families. |
Same with Korea. For a great many its what they end up going into and that's that. Some in Korea are deeply motivated (in spite of your completely out of your rear assertions).
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| aying that teaching is a calling in the U.S. is an accurate statement. |
No, its not. Your saying so doesn't make it true.
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| I'm a public school graduate |
Wow. Congratulations. Makes you an authority on the subject.
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| and a former public school teacher. |
So, what made you give up your calling and go to the land of greedy, education for-money's-sake, disaster that is S. Korea?
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In Korea, they have more teachers than they know what to do with. In the U.S. they have difficulty recruiting teachers. Where's the money at?
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Korea also has a much higher rate of college degree holders. Might have something to do with that whole job market thingy.
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| I already answered you regarding your Mexican red herring. |
And you said "A product's country of origin has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion."
So the fact that TVs sold in the US might be made and shipped from Mexico, while Korean domestic TVs are made in Korea has NOTHING to do with the price difference? Are you serious? You don't think that that might be a key bit of information? You know, things like labor costs? Energy costs?
Care to address that?
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As for athletics, I think Dennis Rodman's got more sense than you |
So you're not going to address schools putting athletics facilities ahead of academics at public high schools? Grade fixing scandals for top athletes? Athletic boosters? Cover-ups of illegal behavior? College Football coaches being paid more than university presidents and having more influence? Multimillion dollar stadiums combined with outdated infrastructure? Lavish university president homes, but crumbling dormitories? The for-profit college textbook racquet? The skyrocketing cost of tuition? The student loan game? Tenured professors and teachers mailing it in? Textbook content being little more than something for right and left to fight over?
Where's this noble American education system you so vigorously defend?
Cut the crap. |
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atwood
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Blind rabbit, you've been hunting for an opportunity to go into your anti-America schtick, and now you think you've found it. This is your stock in trade, what you use to cadge all those free drinks and cigarettes you used to crow about, isn't it? You go all out attacking America and your Korean hosts, friends, co-workers eat it up, think what a great guy you are and foot the bill.
Sorry, blind rabbit, but I'm not interested. This thread was about how high prices are in Korea, so high that Koreans are shopping overseas via the Internet, no longer satisfied with visiting the duty free shops a time or two per annum.
Go drop your little rabbit pellets elsewhere. |
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Captain Corea
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So your mother was a crappy teacher in it only for the money and now you're following in her footsteps?
I guess that figures. |
That's not how I read it at all. But your comment seems like a personal dig at his mother - not needed.
I don't agree with much of what SR writes nowadays, I feel his posts jumped the shark long ago, but I don't think calling out someone's mother is the best way to go about it.
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| This thread was about how high prices are in Korea, so high that Koreans are shopping overseas via the Internet, no longer satisfied with visiting the duty free shops a time or two per annum. |
THIS I very much agree with. |
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atwood
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So your mother was a crappy teacher in it only for the money and now you're following in her footsteps?
I guess that figures. |
That's not how I read it at all. But your comment seems like a personal dig at his mother - not needed.
I don't agree with much of what SR writes nowadays, I feel his posts jumped the shark long ago, but I don't think calling out someone's mother is the best way to go about it.
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| This thread was about how high prices are in Korea, so high that Koreans are shopping overseas via the Internet, no longer satisfied with visiting the duty free shops a time or two per annum. |
THIS I very much agree with. |
I'm fine with you disagreeing with my reading of his post.
I would never have brought his mother into it, but that was his decision, not mine, so while it's not something I would normally do, I thought in this case it was more than justified.
And again, if you disagree, fine. I'm certainly not going to argue the point.. |
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