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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| the second largest ideological grouping |
(If true) I think these people are living in the wrong century. It was the 20th Century when people were attracted to revolutionary ideologies...and we all saw where those movements inevitably led: concentration camps on the right and gulags on the left. |
necon ideology isn't creating anything similar to that at all  |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Paul says he would like to get rid of:
Dept of Education
Dept of Energy
the IRS
Homeland Sec.
FEMA
the UN
NATO
the ICC
NAFTA
WPO
Unicef is slightly OK |
Sounds good to me. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Paul says he would like to get rid of:
Dept of Education
Dept of Energy
the IRS
Homeland Sec.
FEMA
the UN
NATO
the ICC
NAFTA
WPO
Unicef is slightly OK |
Sounds good to me. |
Forgot to mention the good ol' CIA |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Ron Paul hits the best seller list:
Press Releases � Ron Paul�s A Foreign Policy of Freedom Breaks the Top 100
[Email this] [Print this] November 5, 2007 9:00 am EST
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA�Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul�s new book, A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship, broke into the best-seller�s list this weekend. On November 2, Congressman Paul�s collection of speeches on foreign policy from his 10-term career in the House of Representatives hovered at number 93 on the amazon.com top 100-selling books list, and continued to maintain its number one spot in the non-fiction government and economic policy genres.
A Foreign Policy of Freedom is a 30-year compilation of the Texas congressman and rising GOP presidential contender�s speeches from the congressional floor, and assorted foreign policy writings on constitutional republicanism and non-interventionism.
�Dr. Paul�s message of freedom, prosperity and peace is a best-seller,� said Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. �The numbers don�t lie�Americans want a constitutional, humble foreign policy, which only Ron Paul can deliver in 2008.�
Massive numbers of supporters turn out to support Ron Paul in state after state:
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[Email this] [Print this] November 2, 2007 2:00 pm EST
CLEMSON, SOUTH CAROLINA�Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul rallied today with over 700 students at Clemson University. The rally took place from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. at the Strom Thurmond Institute Building on the university�s campus, and was hosted by the Clemson chapter of Students for Ron Paul.
Congressman Paul will hold another South Carolina campaign rally tonight in the capital, Columbia. Hundreds of Columbia-area supporters are expected to turn out to meet the rising GOP presidential contender at 7:00 pm in West Columbia, at 121 Alexander Street.
�Dr. Paul opened his Greenville campaign office yesterday to great support and fanfare,� said Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. �With the success of the Clemson rally this afternoon, we know we�re heating up the competition in South Carolina.�
Congressman Paul�s three-day South Carolina campaign tour began on Thursday with stops in Greenville and Spartanburg leading into today�s events in Clemson and Columbia. The tour will conclude Saturday in Columbia.
South Carolina�s Republican presidential primaries are scheduled for January 19, 2008.
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Record level fundraising:
Press Releases � Ron Paul Campaign Has Top Day in 2008 Election Cycle
[Email this] [Print this] November 5, 2007 6:00 pm EST
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA�Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has raised over $3.1 million in the past 19 hours, making today�s the single largest fundraising effort of the 2008 election cycle. At 4:00 pm, the campaign�s $2.7 million broke the record for the largest online presidential primary fundraising effort in a single day, and by 6:30 pm, the campaign broke Mitt Romney�s $3.1 million record for single-day fundraising this year.
Thus far today, approximately 25,000 supporters have contributed to the so-called �money bomb.�
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| I'm hoping KYOBO will carry that book. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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1) The US government is bankrupt. It has been for over 50 years. The total national debt as measured by standard accounting practice exceeds $60 trillion dollars. Most of this constitutes the actuarially determined net present value of future obligations under government insurance and retirement welfare programs. Who says so, the chief US government accountant, among others. I posted that link before. NO ONE disputes his facts. |
WHAT? Please post the link again, or link the link. $60 trillion? Where are you getting your info? My numbers say $9 trillion and growing by $150 billion/day.
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| 2) The US dollar is a fiat currency without any backing having an intrinsic value of zero. The current and recent "bubbles" in housing and the stockmarket are merely ripples drifting over from the looming currency meltdown. |
There's definitely an excess of liquidity. Some contributory reasons for the housing bubble include: 1) Americans' inability to save, 2) artificially low interest rates on housing. I don't think its 'self-evident' that the housing bubble is a direct result of America's 'fiat currency.'
The gold standard/silver standard/X standard would only replace an artificial bank reserve with a commodity that could create its own fluctuations. Greenspan has done everything he could to ease off of the Bretton Woods system, but its going to take time until America's currency is completely free-floating; i.e., beyond even the control of central banks.
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| The history of this is long and would take volumes. Simply, at the time of the small recession the government started in the 30s as a result of restrictive tariff policy (the Smoot-Hawley tariff which caused the famous stock market crash) and the inflationary monetary expansion followed by a sudden contraction also at the hands of the government, FDR began the foolish policy of tinkering with the gold backing of the dollar. He arbitrarily devalued the dollar and raised the linkage from $20 per ounce to $32 dollars per ounce. He turned a little recession into the Great Depression. |
Okay, I agree with that analysis.
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| Government actions deepend and lengthened the depression. When the government got busy with WWII, trade opened up again with the Allies and despite rationing, the government interference in the economy acutally declined. This allowed the US and world economies to begin to grow. (The Keynesian explaination is no longer accepted by up to date economists, although historians are often a generation behind.) |
Erm...you left out Bretton Woods, the creation of the IMF, World Bank, and GATT...
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| Then came a new massive inflationary tide under Johnson as the undeclared, illegal, interventionist Vietnam war threatened to swamp and destroy the US economy. Nixon inherited the problem and created the nightmare scenario in which we find ourselves today. He instituted wage and price controls, which were partially lifted except in the energy area. These controls encouraged overconsumption, long-term mal investment, the empowerment of OPEC and resulted in the two famous "oil crises." This was in part a twisted plan to reduce the US producer price and restrict production and simultaneously raise the world price allowing US proxy state dictators in the Mid East (the Shaw and the Saudis) to increase their revenues and expand their militaries. |
You're going to have to slow down for me, here...
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| This has led to a "double blowback" by creating massive armies of citizen enemies abroad and an energy market that encouraged overconsumption, including long-term misallocations and dislocations and the spector of today's energy dependence. |
Slow down, slow down...
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| Nixon's second arrogant and evil response to the small difficulties at the time was to "float" the dollar. He actually ended its gold backing, thereby rendering it worthless. |
Worthless? Just because the dollar was backed by gold doesn't mean anything. At that time, gold too was 'worthless.' I.e., it had very little industrial use. It wasn't exactly 'the spice' of any era. I also find it ironic that you criticize our reliance on OPEC, but want to denominate our dollar in gold. What's the second most prevalent resource in the ME? GOLD.
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| Of course, economics concerns some things that unfold over generations. The dollar was a world reserve currency, and so, even without gold backing it has seemed to operate as if it was backed by gold. Other currencies continued to back their currencies with the dollar (acceptable if the dollar is a gold based unit of account) and investors continued to rely on dollar demoninated assets. As the fall of the dollar from $32 per ounce in the pre-Nixonian era, until today has been gradual, few people have realised that the dollar is actually in an inevitable decline to zero. Without backing, that is the true value of any currency. Of course, the lack of any alternative backed currency in the world market has obfuscated the true nature of the economic realities currently (over the last 4 decades) revealing themselves. |
Interesting. What about economies that have backed their currencies directly on the dollar? I'm thinking of Argentina in 1999, China in the 90s, etc.
As it is, the other currencies are also floating in a supply-demand flux along with the dollar. This works out fairly well.
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| Then came the foolish Iraq war, the ultimate interventionist disaster. OBL's greatest success will not be the well designed attack that he, as a trained engineer, predicted would bring down to two great symbols of New York. Rather, it is that the neo-stupids took his bait, started a no-win war where none was justified or needed and thereby expanded the future enemy base of the terrorists and accelerated the already critical dollar meltdown. |
Hard to disagree with much of that. Except I would place a different explanation for the fall of the dollar. It goes back to Bretton Woods. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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How much the US will have to pay out in entitlements depends if there is social security and medicare reform.
If the retirement age is changed to 72 the numbers become much , much better. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Ron Paul Wins Straw Vote in New York
November 7, 2007, 3:23 pm
By Katharine Q. Seelye
Ron Paul Wins! That�s the headline today after the first New York State Republican Straw Poll. Clearly, after raking in a record amount of money the other day, Mr. Paul is on a roll. He seems to have out-organized his fellow Republicans � on Rudolph W. Giuliani�s home turf.
The New York State straw poll was conducted Tuesday at the Metropolitan Republican Club in New York City.
The results: Mr. Paul, 26 votes; Mr. Giuliani, 21; Mitt Romney, 6; John McCain, 4; Mike Huckabee, 2; Duncan Hunter, 1; Fred Thompson, 1; Tom Tancredo, 0.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/ron-paul-wins-straw-poll-in-new-york/ |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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I can't wait for Ron Paul to be the next president  |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Ron Paul has the best foreign policy ever proposed for the US, and the worst economic policy ever proposed for the US. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Agreed about the foreign policy. Why about economics? |
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thepeel
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
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| He's for pure unrestrained free market capitalism and the privatisation of everything. This would be great for rich people. Free market forces work well for a lot of things, making cars, computers, shoes, etc. Competition forces innovation, variety, quality, and lower prices. But it's a fact that the free market simply does not create the best outcomes for all aspects of society. Education and Health are best run by the government to ensure egalitarian access to these things, they are vital underpinnings of society and should not be profit driven. Fully privatising health and education would create a highly stratified society of privilaged and underprivilaged people. The free market only recognises profit, thus it will never provide a solution to global warming and the energy crisis, because real solutions will be costly and cut back on profit in the short term, but will be beneficial in the long term. |
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thepeel
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He believes in parents being able to pick the school that the cash pegged for their kid goes to, including religious schools. I agree with this, less the religious part.
Regarding health care, I'm somewhat with you. Though I am a very consistent classical liberal, I'm not hostile to government health insurance (though not health care). Ultimately, Paul would say it is a state to state decision, which is probably for the best. Local government for local concerns.
About global warming, Ron Paul would be the greatest thing to ever happen to people who believe in it. The United States, at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, keeps energy supplies more stable than they otherwise would be. A retreat of American forces from the Gulf and other shipping lanes would dramatically increase the price of oil. He would also end the corporate welfare to oil firms, likely pushing up the price there too. Oil would be much more expensive with Ron Paul as president. More expensive means less consumption and increased research in alternatives. It also means less cash flowing to junk governments in the Mid East.
Also, he doesn't want to tax income but rather (some) consumption. This encourages saving and will decrease energy usage. |
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bacasper
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1) The US government is bankrupt. It has been for over 50 years. The total national debt as measured by standard accounting practice exceeds $60 trillion dollars. Most of this constitutes the actuarially determined net present value of future obligations under government insurance and retirement welfare programs. Who says so, the chief US government accountant, among others. I posted that link before. NO ONE disputes his facts. |
WHAT? Please post the link again, or link the link. $60 trillion? Where are you getting your info? My numbers say $9 trillion and growing by $150 billion/day. |
Considering that the Pentagon has "lost" $2.3 Trillion, it would seem $9 Trillion is a pittance.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
Such a disclosure normally might have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."
The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." |
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