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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| No. Bush and Cheney outed a spy. That is treason and merely the tip of the iceberg for the most criminal government in the developed world. |
No in fact it was Richard Armtage and not intentionally.
Besides she wasn't working as a spy , and wasn't she the one who recomended Joe Wilson. |
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thepeel
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| In What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and What's Wrong with Washington, McClellan recounts the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak. |
This doesn't say that Bush was involved in the leak. It was still Richard Armitage.
Thanks for allowing me to clear that up.
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End of an Affair
It turns out that the person who exposed CIA agent Valerie Plame was not out to punish her husband.
Friday, September 1, 2006; Page A20
]WE'RE RELUCTANT to return to the subject of former CIA employee Valerie Plame because of our oft-stated belief that far too much attention and debate in Washington has been devoted to her story and that of her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, over the past three years. But all those who have opined on this affair ought to take note of the not-so-surprising disclosure that the primary source of the newspaper column in which Ms. Plame's cover as an agent was purportedly blown in 2003 was former deputy secretary of state Richard L. Armitage. |
Nope it was Armitage.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460.html
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| Besides she wasn't working as a spy |
She wasn't working undercover and she ought not have been in involved in gettting her husband to Nigeria.
Besides Joe Wilson wasn't truthful. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: |
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You're article is very dated.
1) Plame was outed to punish her husband. This has been firmly established.
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None of Valerie Plame's elaborate training to become an elite covert operative for the CIA prepared her for the byzantine, vicious and dispiriting smear campaigns directed against her and her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, in George Bush's Washington.
When he felt compelled to tell the truth about President Bush's false rationale for the invasion of Iraq - the infamous 16 words in his 2003 State of the Union address claiming Saddam Hussein was securing yellow cake uranium for nuclear weapons - vice president Dick Cheney ordered the defamation of Wilson's reputation. When the White House apparatus was instantly set in motion, with Cheney's chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby serving as the action officer on the op, and Karl Rove and Ari Fleischer relentlessly pressing the "scoop" on reporters, Plame still toiled away unknowing at her job at the CIA, seeking information about the existence of weapons of mass destruction, not only in Iraq but also Iran and other dangerous places.
In the blink of an eye, as quickly as Rove says to Chris Matthews, the host of MSNBC's Hardball, "Wilson's wife is fair game," Plame's carefully constructed secret identity, her worldwide network of informants and the vital flow of intelligence on WMDs were blown apart. |
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sidney_blumenthal/2007/10/the_spy_comes_in_from_the_cold.html
2) That article clearly points at Bush. That you posted the first half of a paragraph and ignored the second is so damn typical of nutty right wingers that I've actually just lost all remaining respect for you.
You quoted this:
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In What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and What's Wrong with Washington, McClellan recounts the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak. |
Which was, in the article, followed by this:
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"There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Tuesday by the publisher, PublicAffairs Books. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff, and the president himself."
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I guess you missed that. Thanks for letting me clear that up.
3) Plame was undercover at the time of her outing, but in the process of trying to get a professional development job. At the time of her outing, she was undercover.
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Valerie Wilson was no analyst or paper-pusher. She was an operations officer working on a top priority of the Bush Administration. Armitage, Rove and Libby had revealed information about a CIA officer who had searched for proof of the President's case. In doing so, they harmed her career and put at risk operations she had worked on and foreign agents and sources she had handled.
When the Novak column ran, Valerie Wilson was in the process of changing her clandestine status from NOC to official cover, as she prepared for a new job in personnel management. Her aim, she told colleagues, was to put in time as an administrator--to rise up a notch or two--and then return to secret operations. But with her cover blown, she could never be undercover again.
NOCs are the most clandestine of the CIA's frontline officers. |
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn
4) She has said herself that she did not send her husband to Niger. This, anyways, is fully unrelated to the real reason she was outed.
5) Her husband dared to publicly contradict the criminal gang running your country. They punished him ("his wife is fair game") by destroying his wife's career. That is what you get when you cross those thugs. National security be dammed.
7) I have seen no evidence that her husband lied. But even if he did, the statement that got his wife fired, WAS TRUE. It was BUSH who lied and that is what you should worry about.
Thanks for playing. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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thepeel"]You're article is very dated.
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| 1) Plame was outed to punish her husband. This has been firmly established. |
Who outed her to who? Why don't you tell us?
who outed her ? Richard Armitage.
Show otherwise. Armitige was Novaks source.
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| 2) That article clearly points at Bush. That you posted the first half of a paragraph and ignored the second is so damn typical of nutty right wingers that I've actually just lost all remaining respect for you. |
It points to him covering for Libby who was covering up covering for himself . Armatige was still the leaker. If you have something other than that show it.
You quoted this:
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In What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and What's Wrong with Washington, McClellan recounts the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak. |
Which was, in the article, followed by this:
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"There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Tuesday by the publisher, PublicAffairs Books. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff, and the president himself."
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that was't about outing . It was about what Libby said
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| President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Karl Rove helped engineer the coverup of who in the White House leaked the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame." |
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| 3) Plame was undercover at the time of her outing, but in the process of trying to get a professional development job. At the time of her outing, she was undercover. |
she was in the US and she should not have been involved in sending A Wilson. That Rove means she was fair game doesn't mean that Bush outed her. She wasn't overseas. Futhermore she brought herself in it by being involved in recomending her husband.
NOCs are the most clandestine of the CIA's frontline officers.[/quote]
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn
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| 4) She has said herself that she did not send her husband to Niger. This, anyways, is fully unrelated to the real reason she was outed. |
she was involved in sending her husband.
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| 5) Her husband dared to publicly contradict the criminal gang running your country. They punished him ("his wife is fair game") by destroying his wife's career. That is what you get when you cross those thugs. National security be dammed. |
Her husband is a liar. No one takes him seriously anymore.
7) I have seen no evidence that her husband lied. But even if he did, the statement that got his wife fired, WAS TRUE. It was BUSH who lied and that is what you should worry about.
Thanks for playing.[/quote]
show where Bush outed her?
It was Armatige , Bush if anything he helped cover for Libby.
Futhermore Saddam did in fact try to get uranium from Africa.
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Valerie Elise Plame Wilson (born Valerie Elise Plame 19 April 1963, in Anchorage, Alaska), known as Valerie Plame, Valerie E. Wilson, and Valerie Plame Wilson, is a former United States CIA officer who worked as a classified covert intelligence agent for over twenty years and the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV.[1][2][3][4][5][6]
On 14 July 2003, Robert Novak identified "Wilson's wife" publicly as "an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction" named "Valerie Plame" in his syndicated column in The Washington Post.[7] In that column Novak was responding to an "op-ed" entitled "What I Didn't Find in Africa," written by former Ambassador Wilson and published in the New York Times the previous week, on July 6, 2003. In his op-ed, former Ambassador Wilson states that the George W. Bush administration exaggerated unreliable claims that Iraq intended to purchase uranium yellowcake to support the administration's arguments that Iraq was proliferating weapons of mass destruction so as to justify its preemptive war in Iraq.[8]
Novak's public disclosure of Mrs. Wilson's then-still-classified covert CIA identity as "Valerie Plame" led to a CIA leak grand jury investigation, resulting in the indictment and successful prosecution of Lewis Libby in United States v. Libby for perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to federal investigators, in the Wilsons' civil lawsuit (Plame v. Cheney) against current and former government officials (dismissed on July 19, 2007, in U.S. District Court in a decision appealed the next day), and in continuing related controversy.
Novak says that his reason for writing the article was that he wondered why Joseph Wilson, no friend of the Bush administration, was chosen for the Niger assignment. The irony is that both Novak and his source, Richard Armitage, opposed the Iraq War |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame
Stay around the game is not over.
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| Nevertheless, it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming -- falsely, as it turned out -- that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush's closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy. It's unfortunate that so many people took him seriously. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Libby testified that Bush/Cheney ordered it. Armatige was merely the voice of the beast.
Why do you defend a dishonest war criminal who has no respect for your country, your rule of law and your national security? Are you a partisan wannabe hack?
You really need to understand the level of criminality of this government.
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Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff has testified that President Bush authorized him to disclose the contents of a highly classified intelligence assessment to the media to defend the Bush administration's decision to go to war with Iraq, according to papers filed in federal court [PDF] on Wednesday by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case.
Libby testified to a federal grand jury that he had received "approval from the President through the Vice President" to divulge portions of a National Intelligence Estimate.
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby testified to a federal grand jury that he had received "approval from the President through the Vice President" to divulge portions of a National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam Hussein's purported efforts to develop nuclear weapons, according to the court papers. Libby was said to have testified that such presidential authorization to disclose classified information was "unique in his recollection," the court papers further said.
Libby also testified that an administration lawyer told him that Bush, by authorizing the disclosure of classified information, had in effect declassified the information. Legal experts disagree on whether the president has the authority to declassify information on his own.
The White House had no immediate reaction to the court filing.
Although not reflected in the court papers, two senior government officials said in interviews with National Journal in recent days that Libby has also asserted that Cheney authorized him to leak classified information to a number of journalists during the run-up to war with Iraq. In some instances, the information leaked was directly discussed with the Vice President, while in other instances Libby believed he had broad authority to release information that would make the case to go to war.
In yet another instance, Libby had claimed that President Bush authorized Libby to speak to and provide classified information to Washington Post assistant managing editor Bob Woodward for "Plan of Attack," a book written by Woodward about the run-up to the Iraqi war.
Bush and Cheney authorized the release of the information regarding the NIE in the summer of 2003, according to court documents, as part of a damage-control effort undertaken only days after former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV alleged in an op-ed in The New York Times that claims by Bush that Saddam Hussein had attempted to procure uranium from the African nation of Niger were most likely a hoax.
According to the court papers, "At some point after the publication of the July 6 Op Ed by Mr. Wilson, Vice President Cheney, [Libby's] immediate supervisor, expressed concerns to [Libby] regarding whether Mr. Wilson's trip was legitimate or whether it was in effect a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's wife."
Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a covert CIA officer at the time, and Cheney, Libby, and other Bush administration officials believed that Wilson's allegations could be discredited if it could be shown that Plame had suggested that her husband be sent on the CIA-sponsored mission to Niger.
Two days after Wilson's op-ed, Libby met with then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller and not only disclosed portions of the NIE, but also Plame's CIA employment and potential role in her husband's trip.
Regarding that meeting, Libby "testified that he was specifically authorized in advance... to disclose the key judgments of the classified NIE to Miller" because Vice President Cheney believed it to be "very important" to do so, the court papers filed Wednesday said. The New York Sun reported the court filing on its Web site early Thursday.
Libby "further testified that he at first advised the Vice President that he could not have this conversation with reporter Miller because of the classified nature of the NIE," the court papers said. Libby "testified that the Vice President had advised [Libby] that the President had authorized [Libby] to disclose relevant portions of the NIE."
Additionally, Libby "testified that he also spoke to David Addington, then counsel to the Vice President, whom [Libby] considered to be an expert in national security law, and Mr. Addington opined that Presidential authorization to publicly disclose a document amounted to a declassification of the document."
Addington succeeded Libby as Cheney's chief of staff after Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on Oct. 28, 2005 on five counts of making false statements, perjury, and obstruction of justice in attempting to conceal his role in outing Plame as an undercover CIA operative.
Four days after the meeting with Miller, on July 12, 2003, Libby spoke again to Miller, and also for the first time with Time magazine correspondent Matthew Cooper, during which Libby spoke to both journalists about Plame's CIA employment and her possible role in sending her husband to Niger.
Regarding those conversations, Libby understood that the Vice President specifically selected him to "speak to the press in place of Cathie Martin (then the communications person for the Vice President) regarding the NIE and Wilson," the court papers said. Libby also testified, Fitzgerald asserted in the court papers, that "at the time of his conversations with Miller and Cooper, he understood that only three people -- the President, the Vice President and [Libby] -- knew that the key judgments of the NIE had been declassified.
"[Libby] testified in the grand jury that he understood that even in the days following his conversation with Ms. Miller, other key officials-including Cabinet level officials-were not made aware of the earlier declassification even as those officials were pressed to carry out a declassification of the NIE, the report about Wilson's trip and another classified document dated January 24, 2003." It is unclear from the court papers what the January 24, 2003 document might be.
During those very same conversations with the press that day Libby "discussed Ms. Wilson's CIA employment with both Matthew Cooper (for the first time) and Judith Miller (for the third time)," the court papers further said.
Although the special prosecutor's grand jury investigation has not uncovered any evidence that the Vice President encouraged Libby to release information about Plame's covert CIA status, the court papers said that Cheney had "expressed concerns to [Libby] regarding whether Mr. Wilson's trip was legitimate or whether it was in effect a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's wife."
Cheney told investigators that he had learned of Plame's employment by the CIA and her potential role in her husband being sent to Niger by then-CIA director George Tenet, according to people familiar with Cheney's interviews with the special prosecutor.
Tenet has told investigators that he had no specific recollection of discussing Plame or her role in her husband's trip with Cheney, according to people with familiar with his statement to investigators.
Two senior government officials said that Tenet did recall, however, that he made inquiries regarding the veracity of the Niger intelligence information as a result of inquires from both Cheney and Libby. As a result of those inquiries, Tenet then had the CIA conduct a new review of its Niger intelligence, and concluded that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had in fact attempted to purchase uranium from Niger or other African nations. Tenet and other CIA officials then informed Cheney, other administration officials, and the congressional intelligence committees of the new findings, the sources said.
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http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0406nj1.htm
You are literally believing dated propaganda. They wanted to discredit Joe Wilson's assessment of the Niger LIE because they wanted WAR regardless of the WMD's facts. And they tried to discredit him by outing his wife and suggesting that she sent him there. And Joo, almost 5 years later, believes a story that nobody who told the story believed.
Plame's identity was in that NIE, and Cheney, under the direction of Bush, demanded it to be leaked. Because they don't care about your safety as an American.
You should read her book. I'm about 40% done and stunned. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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