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Nowhere Man
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| And when have I ever said countries couldn't or shouldn't have immigration standards? Never. I just don't see religion as being a litmus test for immigration worthiness. |
Yeah, I think that's the crux of it. What is your solution to sorting out who should and shouldn't be allowed to immigrate?
BigV, I don't want anyone to hijack your baby (pun intended), so I ask for you to grab the flag and lead off. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: |
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In allowing immigrants into any country, one of the main considerations should be to get those who will contribute the most and cause the least strain upon the existing state of the society.
As unfair as it may be to say so, people as much like us as possible. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: ... |
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Well, see, this is why I wanted Biggy to lead off and not the guy who taunted a Muslim in some hidden Burger King alcove and saw Korean police make a guy lick his own spit off the street in front of the Itaewon mosque.
Part of the US's bizarre citizenship test involves questions like "Who was Old Hickory?" and "Where did the Continental Army hunker down for winter?" If you've ever seen Jay Walking, my guess is you'd doubt such questions establish how "normal" our immigrants might be. Yet, we seem to be getting a cut above the rest (which serves to contradict the original BigV line about literal translation of the Koran), but OK...
We ask them, "Are you normal like us?"
Prefer those who can break dance?
Ask what they're packing their hookah with?
Please elaborate. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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My brother in law, his wife and our kids, all blue eyed blondes emmigrated to the US from Canada.
The question for the parents for immigration was: How do you spell you last name. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: ... |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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The immigration officer knew what he wanted. It also seems one of the two girls is working as am aeronautical engineer with a Masters from Cal Tech.
All such choices made everywhere are subjective. Anyone who thinks they should be logical and open is deluding themselves.
We like people who are "just like us'. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| In allowing immigrants into any country, one of the main considerations should be to get those who will contribute the most and cause the least strain upon the existing state of the society. |
I guess that part about the tired, poor, huddled masses, and wretched refuse is just for show. |
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contrarian
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The huddled masses were good for the time. The US (and for that matter Canada) got mosty Europeans. That wanted to "become like us" and they were willing to work a generation of two to get it.
One the other hand Muslims in Europe and to a lesser degree in the US have become a large indigestible lump that causes more trouble than it is worth. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| One of the tests might be the reactions of the "Islamic" community. We say not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslim. That is very true. |
Only because of the way you define terrorist. If a Muslim straps a bomb on his back and blows up a wedding party, he's a terrorist. But what is someone who drops a bomb from a plane and blows up a wedding party? |
Intent and knowledge also matters though. Only if it was deliberately targeting the wedding party and KNEW that it WAS just a wedding party could the bomb-dropper be considered a terrorist.
Regardless it is a terrible thing either way, but one is a terrorist act while the other could be just be a tragic accident. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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The huddled masses were good for the time. The US (and for that matter Canada) got mosty Europeans. That wanted to "become like us" and they were willing to work a generation of two to get it.
One the other hand Muslims in Europe and to a lesser degree in the US have become a large indigestible lump that causes more trouble than it is worth. |
Ahh. The Age of Romanticism. Oh how we miss the lovable Irish and the respected Chinese. Those were the days. |
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postfundie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| I just don't see religion as being a litmus test for immigration worthiness. |
what if their religious belief tells some of them to hide and then kill you when the opportunity arises? Or if the belief is to call a truce until ready for war? |
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RJjr
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| I am a Jew because my mother and her mother were Jews, long lapsed Jews. I even have an Israeli passport. |
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| Had a been born in Germany in 1940, rather than Canada I would have been given free room in Auschwitz. My mother was a Jew. |
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| Islam is an indigestible lump in western culture. We are better off wihtout them. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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Your point RJ, is?
My little bit of Jewish ancestry is a point of pride to me, as is the much more dominant strain of Dane and Scots. By religion I am an active Mormon.
The latter sure did get me a unique insight into Korea. I was accepted, as a matter of course into Korean homes.
The hard working Chinese and the Irish were certainly good choices for immigrants as were the eastern European Jews and in western Canada the Sihks and Japanese. Is that a religous choice or a cultrual one. It is the latter. |
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huffdaddy
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| The hard working Chinese and the Irish were certainly good choices for immigrants as were the eastern European Jews and in western Canada the Sihks and Japanese. Is that a religous choice or a cultrual one. It is the latter. |
Hindsight is grand. But I doubt that people in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries felt that much different than you do about Muslims. If one was so inclined (which I'm not, especially since I'm leaving on vacation on Saturday), I'm sure you could find editorials with exactly the same tone and sentiment as your posts here. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Yes, you probably could. On the other hand the people already in any given country should have the big part of the choice who joins them.
If the Brits don't want any more Muslims that, in a democracy, should be their choice. |
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