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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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Must you embolden your entire post? Surely that's unnecessary. Rather than strengthening your argument, such juvenile mannerisms tend to weaken your position, making you look terribly desparate and insecure.
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Urbanmyth, it's not like you had any credibility in the first place
Coming from you, that's irony at its finest.
, but we have already ascertained what has been admitted. The nature of the publication is at this point moot. |
Yes we have already ascertained what has been admitted, namely that Israel ten years ago was harvesting organs from dead Palestinians and Israelis.
The publication on the other hand made a completely different allegation charging that the Israeli military was deliberately searching for and killing Palestinians for their organs.
If you can not see the difference between the two, then perhaps you should be quiet and leave the sermonizing to those who do. What's the next topic on this? "Dog-faced boy claims he was experimented on by Israeli scientists in the womb?"  |
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hack
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Talk about a personal conundrum. Watching Urban Myth get slammed once again for being a [Mod Edit] (that's good) for defending Israel (that's also good). Heee Heee.
Are you enjoying the won/dollar experience UM? Life is good in Vancouver during the summer and Panama during the winter.
Hope you are enjoying a balmy Korean winter.
ROTFLMAO
Mod Note: Kindly engage other posters without evading the swear filter.
Thank you,
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: |
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APMSL! 
Hack: Some people have a sexual fetish involving public humiliation. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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This is different than the Swedish story, but it's understandable that Palestinians would think that people would think that the IDF harvest organs since this did happen in the 1990s. However, from this story, it appears as if this happened to Israeli soldiers, as well. It's horrible that such an undemocratic thing happened. People are citing this to say that this did indeed happen in the past. Did this completely end? According to Israel, this has ended, but we have also been told in the past that Israel stopped torturing prisoners in certain ways, and they didn't. I am going based on my recollection. Israel has agreed to halting settlement building many times and then continued to do so despite telling the US it would halt settlement construction.
Until we have proof of the harvesting of organs or body parts in the 21st century, let's suspend judgement. However, the fact that this happened is definitely horrible. It violates Jewish and Islamic laws to do that to the dead, as far as I understand. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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So you think it is possible that Israel didn't stop when they said they did? That they continued to harvest organs when they said they stopped? Just like they continued torture when they said they stopped? Just like they continued settlements when they said they stopped? Do you really think that the Israelis are capable of such deceit? 
Gee whiz, I don't know. I have to think about that one. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| hack wrote: |
Talk about a personal conundrum. Watching Urban Myth get slammed once again for being a dik (that's good) for defending Israel (that's also good). Heee Heee.
Are you enjoying the won/dollar experience UM? Life is good in Vancouver during the summer and Panama during the winter.
Hope you are enjoying a balmy Korean winter.
ROTFLMAO |
What's the matter, hack?
Still smarting over losing all those debates years ago? Get over it.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
APMSL!
Hack: Some people have a sexual fetish involving public humiliation. |
So I guess we now know why you and Trevor continue to post here. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
Must you embolden your entire post? Surely that's unnecessary. Rather than strengthening your argument, such juvenile mannerisms tend to weaken your position, making you look terribly desparate and insecure.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Trevor wrote: |
Urbanmyth, it's not like you had any credibility in the first place
Coming from you, that's irony at its finest.
, but we have already ascertained what has been admitted. The nature of the publication is at this point moot. |
Yes we have already ascertained what has been admitted, namely that Israel ten years ago was harvesting organs from dead Palestinians and Israelis.
The publication on the other hand made a completely different allegation charging that the Israeli military was deliberately searching for and killing Palestinians for their organs.
If you can not see the difference between the two, then perhaps you should be quiet and leave the sermonizing to those who do. What's the next topic on this? "Dog-faced boy claims he was experimented on by Israeli scientists in the womb?" |
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Yes, I must. Apparently you can't read the regular print so maybe this is easier. And should I point out that it is far more juvenile as well as indicative of someone losing the argument to ignore what was written and respond with irrelevancies? |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well, let's review:
1. You are posting three times more than anyone else
2. You have become hyper-defensive and are lashing out
3. You are insisting on how you are beating everybody
4. You insist on emboldening your posts, saying you don't think you will be understood, otherwise.
UrbanMyth, I think you are soon to learn a lesson about over-emphatic communication on the internet. Reading your posts back, I can see the same message over and over again. Oh, I understand it. It isn't necessary to alter the font settings in order to convey your meaning. Your viewpoint across the last ten pages can be paraphrased in a single sentence:
"It's okay that the Israelis harvested the Palestinians' organs because they did it to the Israeli soldiers, too."
Over and over and over.
Claiming victory and playing around with the font settings isn't going to strengthen your influence in the long run. It is perceived as shouting and people will just start skipping over your posts for being a tedious loudmouth.
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| Trevor wrote: |
Must you embolden your entire post? Surely that's unnecessary. Rather than strengthening your argument, such juvenile mannerisms tend to weaken your position, making you look terribly desparate and insecure.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Trevor wrote: |
Urbanmyth, it's not like you had any credibility in the first place
Coming from you, that's irony at its finest.
, but we have already ascertained what has been admitted. The nature of the publication is at this point moot. |
Yes we have already ascertained what has been admitted, namely that Israel ten years ago was harvesting organs from dead Palestinians and Israelis.
The publication on the other hand made a completely different allegation charging that the Israeli military was deliberately searching for and killing Palestinians for their organs.
If you can not see the difference between the two, then perhaps you should be quiet and leave the sermonizing to those who do. What's the next topic on this? "Dog-faced boy claims he was experimented on by Israeli scientists in the womb?" |
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Yes, I must. Apparently you can't read the regular print so maybe this is easier. And should I point out that it is far more juvenile as well as indicative of someone losing the argument to ignore what was written and respond with irrelevancies? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
APMSL!
Hack: Some people have a sexual fetish involving public humiliation. |
So I guess we now know why you and Trevor continue to post here. |
Absolutely! I just love watching it, wouldn't miss it for the world, or even New Year's Eve! Have a happy one, and please continue to post in the new year! |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Trevor, the fact that this was done to IDF soldiers casts things in a different light, if it did, indeed, happen to IDF soldiers. The Swedish article only mentioned it happening to Arabs, i.e., Palestinians. It didn't mention it happening to Jews. It didn't say that the practice was halted.
Israel, as a state, doesn't treat the Palestinians in life or death humanely.
I get that, but what the Swedish writer wrote and what is in this thread are two different things... |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Why does it cast things in a different light? The logic seems to be that just as long as they behave in a repulsive manner to people in their own ethnic group they are to be exonerated for behaving the same way to their enemies. Yes, there was a tabloid story that apparently contained some questionable material. In relation to the crimes against humanity that we know were committed, this doesn't signify for much. Further, if they behave this way to their own brethren, it stands to reason that there is a great deal that we are unaware of regarding their behavior to their sworn enemies.
The chances that we know the whole story are absolutely zero. Organs are extremely valuable. They can give life to someone who would not otherwise have it. Under the circumstances of the current occupation, it is fairly easy to hide their theft. These are not honorable people we are talking about. This story is going to continue.
The real significance of the story in question is that it is the only shred of justification which Israel's supporters have at their disposal to cry out "victim! victim! victim! It is Israel that is the victim!" The pattern we have seen over and over again since 1948. No matter how vicious, repulsive, and inhuman their behavior, they are always the victim! victim! victim!
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Trevor, the fact that this was done to IDF soldiers casts things in a different light, if it did, indeed, happen to IDF soldiers. The Swedish article only mentioned it happening to Arabs, i.e., Palestinians. It didn't mention it happening to Jews. It didn't say that the practice was halted.
Israel, as a state, doesn't treat the Palestinians in life or death humanely.
I get that, but what the Swedish writer wrote and what is in this thread are two different things... |
EDIT: I think we can now move on from the very tangential issue of the tabloid story. Of more importance, I think it is worthwhile to post this story, from last August, to give people an idea of the propaganda coming from the Israeli side -- in this case the New York Times. Since we now know more of the truth (certainly not all of it) I think it is worthwhile to begin recognizing the sort of misleading propaganda that comes from the mainstream press (as opposed to the "tabloids") on a regular basis. The New York Times, for instance, certainly generates enough misleading, or wholly fallacious, information itself. Seldom is it referred to as a tabloid, though perhaps it should be more often. It begins with the incredulously righteous introduction: "A strange story has broken out in Sweden..."
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/why-the-israeli-organ-harvesting-story-is-probably-false/
The reader comments are also very interesting. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
APMSL!
Hack: Some people have a sexual fetish involving public humiliation. |
So I guess we now know why you and Trevor continue to post here. |
Absolutely! I just love watching it, wouldn't miss it for the world, or even New Year's Eve! Have a happy one, and please continue to post in the new year! |
Well if you love watching yourself being humiliated, far be it from me to take away what is apparently one of your greatest pleasures...so please continue to post more in this thread.
Now this discussion about your peculiar peccadilloes is most entertaining but let's get back on topic. What proof apart from some tabloid(where the journalist admitted that his article was based on rumours and hearsay) do you have, that Israel is sending out roving death squads to kill and kidnap any Palestinian? Particularly since that organs start to deteriorate rapidly after death, and that you can't just take any organ for a transplant. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Why does it cast things in a different light? The logic seems to be that just as long as they behave in a repulsive manner to people in their own ethnic group they are to be exonerated for behaving the same way to their enemies. Yes, there was a tabloid story that apparently contained some questionable material. In relation to the crimes against humanity that we know were committed, this doesn't signify for much. Further, if they behave this way to their own brethren, it stands to reason that there is a great deal that we are unaware of regarding their behavior to their sworn enemies.
The chances that we know the whole story are absolutely zero. Organs are extremely valuable. They can give life to someone who would not otherwise have it. Under the circumstances of the current occupation, it is fairly easy to hide their theft. These are not honorable people we are talking about. This story is going to continue.
The real significance of the story in question is that it is the only shred of justification which Israel's supporters have at their disposal to cry out "victim! victim! victim! It is Israel that is the victim!" The pattern we have seen over and over again since 1948. No matter how vicious, repulsive, and inhuman their behavior, they are always the victim! victim! victim!
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Trevor, the fact that this was done to IDF soldiers casts things in a different light, if it did, indeed, happen to IDF soldiers. The Swedish article only mentioned it happening to Arabs, i.e., Palestinians. It didn't mention it happening to Jews. It didn't say that the practice was halted.
Israel, as a state, doesn't treat the Palestinians in life or death humanely.
I get that, but what the Swedish writer wrote and what is in this thread are two different things... |
EDIT: I think we can now move on from the very tangential issue of the tabloid story. Of more importance, I think it is worthwhile to post this story, from last August, to give people an idea of the propaganda coming from the Israeli side -- in this case the New York Times. Since we now know more of the truth (certainly not all of it) I think it is worthwhile to begin recognizing the sort of misleading propaganda that comes from the mainstream press (as opposed to the "tabloids") on a regular basis. The New York Times, for instance, certainly generates enough misleading, or wholly fallacious, information itself. Seldom is it referred to as a tabloid, though perhaps it should be more often. It begins with the incredulously righteous introduction: "A strange story has broken out in Sweden..."
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/why-the-israeli-organ-harvesting-story-is-probably-false/
The reader comments are also very interesting. |
Aha, so any papers that put Israel in a favourable light are tabloids or should be considered so, while any papers that don't are bastions of integrity.
Unfortunately for you, you don't get to decide which papers are tabloids and which aren't. The NYT is not considered to be a tabloid by any stretch of the imagination...it's certainly more reputable than some Swedish newspapers that runs stories without even basic fact-checking.
And given Al Roth's field of work I'd say he's a more reliable source than some journalist. |
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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I love how Gopher defends a horrendous practice by attempting to change the argument.
Taking a page out of AIPAC, eh Gopger. |
Oh, come now. Do you actually believe that mere routine, mundane harvesting if human organs of war and murder casualties can compare with the grotesque horror of the possible misuse of a word? |
Gopher: when American peace activist Rachel Corrie was bulldozed and killed in the Palestinian territories by an Israeli soldier, I am sure you were aghast at the verb "bulldoze," weren't you? |
Killing Rachel Corrie Twice
by Stephen Lendman
On May 16, at 6:54AM Gaza time (3:54AM GMT), in international waters, an Israeli naval vessel attacked the Malaysian owned Spirit of Rachel Corrie ship (officially the MV Finch), carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza. More details below.
Lawless Monday followed Nakba Day's bloody Sunday, Israeli security forces assaulting unprecedented numbers of nonviolent demonstrators in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and along the Lebanese/Syrian borders.
Egypt was complicit, blocking activists from reaching Rafah. So was Jordan, forcefully preventing Palestinian supporters from approaching the King Hussein Jordan River Crossing Point.
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Up to two dozen were killed, scores injured, and many arrested, soldiers and police firing high-velocity tear gas canisters at point blank range, rubber bullets, live ammunition, and tank shell warning shots, a shocking display of violence given scant coverage in America's media.
Now this, Israelis attacking Rachel Corrie's spirit after an Israeli bulldozer operator killed her in Gaza on March 16, 2003. Trying to stop a Rafah refugee camp home's demolition, witnesses said she climbed atop the giant Caterpillar tractor, spoke to the driver, climbed down, knelt 10 - 20 meters in front in clear view, blocking its path with her body. With activists screaming for it to stop, the soldier-operator crushed her to death deliberately, running her over twice to be sure.
On May 14, 2010, the MV Rachael Corrie sailed from Europe to Gaza. Other vessels, nine in all, tried to break the siege to deliver vitally needed aid, including over 10,000 tons of food, medicines, educational and construction materials.
They never made it. Israeli commandos intercepted them, killing at least nine unarmed activists on board the Mavi Marmara mother ship, injuring dozens, and arresting survivors. After stealing their property and harassing them for several days in confinement to deter future missions, they were released and sent home.
Israel miscalculated. They're coming. Besides US and other initiatives, the European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza (ECESG) plans new missions to deliver essentially needed aid.
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http://www.savegaza.eu/eng/
Saying they won't be intimidated, they're "putting Israel on notice," adding:
"We are Coming
We are Unarmed
We are Civilian
You have no right to threaten us
We Expect to Reach Gaza without any Interference." |
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