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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| wallythewhale wrote: |
Yeah, it's cool.
With Love,
Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Black Eye Peas
EDIT: And for the record, I'm pretty sure most of you don't know, but a lot of US producers are coming to Korea to produce MVs for a lot of these hotties. Search: Teddy Riley. Connect the dots. |
They never said it was cool. Producers follow the hype and money and know a good move to expand the fan base when they see one. Oh, and the hottie factor doesn't hurt either.
Kpop hasn't peaked yet. There will be more artists checking out the hype and money train too, no doubt about that. With enough collaboration, outside production and fake street cred by association, it could get a little more tolerable eventually (or at least not as laughable as now). From all the copying, borrowing, and benchmarking, it will probably resemble Hyundai, which went from lemon factory to decent cars over time. But then again music isn't comparable to cars. Or wait if it's kpop maybe it is; we are talking about manufacturing after all. |
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bekinseki
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well if you want some idea of what the popularity's like, the finalists of the global K-pop contests have arrived in Korea.
http://www.korea.net/detail.do?guid=57757
One of my coworkers just went to where they're recording, and she said that everyone who's here has been acting like an authentic Beatlemania-fan, only on meth (my words), and they've all been sceraming nonstop pretty well since they arrived here. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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What?!
That song you linked... amazingly technically nuanced, meta-aware of the pop cannon and it's own place therein, whilst remaining unobtrusively and showingly so. Poignant lyrics... which are subtle yet emotionaly powerful. An irresistable melody and a rythm so enjoyably sensual that it is almost delightfuly painful.
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/15/cowell-pop-k-pop
Article in the Guardian. |
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| In fact, the most unexpected moment arrived towards the end of the ceremony, when the winner of best worldwide act award was announced. The winners of the fan-driven award were Korean group Bigbang, who won 58m votes to beat Britney Spears. |
Was this an internet of phone vote?
Is Jeju one of the natural seven wonders of the world? |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2058044_2061021,00.html
nuff said |
So if Susan Boyle won that would be fine?
Or are those votes by all those Koreans, Chinese, and Indians not as meaningful. I mean they aren't 'full' people, only half a person or something.... |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2058044_2061021,00.html
nuff said |
So if Susan Boyle won that would be fine?
Or are those votes by all those Koreans, Chinese, and Indians not as meaningful. I mean they aren't 'full' people, only half a person or something.... |
Come on now. You know that the internet community in Korea is a very different animal to most other countries. Koreans are constantly connected to the internet and mostly all get their information from the same sources. It doesn't take long for a campaign to get under way and go viral.
Also, a lot of Korean people are very keen to promote/defend Korea at every given chance. You know how nationalistic people can be here. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2058044_2061021,00.html
nuff said |
So if Susan Boyle won that would be fine?
Or are those votes by all those Koreans, Chinese, and Indians not as meaningful. I mean they aren't 'full' people, only half a person or something.... |
Come on now. You know that the internet community in Korea is a very different animal to most other countries. Koreans are constantly connected to the internet and mostly all get their information from the same sources. It doesn't take long for a campaign to get under way and go viral.
Also, a lot of Korean people are very keen to promote/defend Korea at every given chance. You know how nationalistic people can be here. |
Nationalistic? You mean on issues like these?
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SOUTH KOREA
East Asia Institute
South Koreans take a predominantly average or below average view of their own nation�s foreign policy, although they have the second-largest number (after Mexico) saying below average out of all nations polled. South Koreans rate Britain most positively on the morality of their foreign policy, while they are significantly more negative on China�s foreign policy.
Morality of their nation�s foreign policy: 10% above average, 46% about average, 42% below average |
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/jan09/WPO_MoralityFP_Jan09_rpt.pdf
(Bolding mine) |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| TUM, even you can't deny that Koreans are very nationalistic. Saying that they might not approve of their foreign policy is barely relevant and is arguing just for argument's sake. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| TUM, even you can't deny that Koreans are very nationalistic. Saying that they might not approve of their foreign policy is barely relevant and is arguing just for argument's sake. |
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| ]College Park, MD�The world is full of nationalistic people certain that their country is morally superior to others, right? Actually, a new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 21 nations around the world finds that people can be remarkably modest. |
(bolding mine)
From the link I posted.
It explicitly states nationalism...it just uses foreign policy as the yardstick.
I'd say they are no more nationalistic than most other nations...they are just more open and less subtle about it. Anyway I'm certainly not going to engage in blanket statements like "Koreans are very nationalistic"
I will state that SOME Koreans are (just like some people on most nations on Earth) and leave it at that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism
Yes the LINK is from wiki, but the data in the table of the most patriotic countries comes from the World Values Survey...Korea isn't even included on the list. And yes they surveyed Korea as well. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2058044_2061021,00.html
nuff said |
So if Susan Boyle won that would be fine?
Or are those votes by all those Koreans, Chinese, and Indians not as meaningful. I mean they aren't 'full' people, only half a person or something.... |
Come on now. You know that the internet community in Korea is a very different animal to most other countries. Koreans are constantly connected to the internet and mostly all get their information from the same sources. It doesn't take long for a campaign to get under way and go viral.
Also, a lot of Korean people are very keen to promote/defend Korea at every given chance. You know how nationalistic people can be here. |
Right, then what about Jay Chou?
I know that some of us feel that Western entertainers and figures should be at the center of the popular universe, but I guess some people have a different view.
Besides, if they can motivate that many people to vote for them, doesn't mean they have influence? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans have a history of using the internet in the name of 'uri nara'. The time where they jammed the FIFA servers because they thought it might lead to a replay of the game is one that springs to mind. Also, I find it hard to believe that Jeju is one of the 7 wonders of the world.
When apologists try to deny that Koreans are nationalistic or jingoistic, it is absurd. Korean people identify themselves so strongly with their nation, that the act of one Korean somehow speaks for all of them. This sense of nation is what makes them who they are.
Also, being nationalistic is probably something most Koreans are proud of. I guess it's more a western liberal perspective that sees it as something to be ashamed of. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2058044_2061021,00.html
nuff said |
So if Susan Boyle won that would be fine?
Or are those votes by all those Koreans, Chinese, and Indians not as meaningful. I mean they aren't 'full' people, only half a person or something.... |
No but I'd say Obama, Cameron, Hawkins, Medvedev, Sonia Gandhi, Rafael Nadal, heck, my apt security guard -have had more influence and affect on the world than rain, a singer hardly anyone outside of Korea has heard of (and I just asked our Chinese teacher if he is known in China and said that he pretty much isn't.)
It's a joke and it is TIME who are the guilty party. They should have tougher selction criteria other than
'You can email or phone in anyone you like and if we realise that the results are NOT REPRESENTATIVE of a wide enough international demographic, we will not think seriously whether the person is a reasonable choice or not. '
Again it is a joke, but it is TIME magazine's fault.
Edit - just saw that the link was only showing the 'reader's list.' Still a joke, but who cares?
I see the Egyptian protester was chosen by TIME as the year's most influential. A reasonable choice. |
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