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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
How many more times does this need to be stated, this isnt't about the degree. Time and time again it has been stated that they have legitimately earned their degrees.
The issue is a paper relating to one scholarship fund that paid a portion of their fees. Not all, just a portion.
The professor has been described as having demeaned himself and lost 9 million in allowances.
Let this be the end of your continuing victim blaming. |
The money they used to obtain that degree was fraudulently obtained.
No where does it say it is 1 paper. In fact a previous article says:
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| had given her three papers to complete about a month before the ceremony. |
There is no indication if she did any of them.
Let's stick to the facts shall we:
1. They lied to the school when they said they only wanted to take a picture of their diploma
2. They spent a week ducking calls and hiding from the school
3. They lied when they they submitted that editorial months ago when they claimed they had no idea what the professor would want
4. they lied to the professor in this video twice, once when they pretended they had no idea what he would want, and second when they said they were going to hand in the papers
5. They lied when they said the professor forced them to inappropriately credit his son.
6. They lied to the program when they agreed to do a certain amount of work to receive a scholarship.
tell me where the victim is here? Because these don't sound like the actions of any "victim".
Again: The professor is only guilty of getting upset when faced with two habitual and manipulative liars in a language he struggles with.
The only victim I see here is the professor who nailed it in the article months ago:
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| He added that he believed they had “planned this manipulation from the start.” |
The entire thing was a set-up. The video, all of it. It was obvious before that they were trying to get him worked up in that video, it's even more obvious now that we have further confirmation of their lies and them ducking their agreements and responsibilities. If you go back to that video and watch the beginning again, you'll note that his tone is neutral and pleasant until they immediately start to lie again. He was obviously a man who had had enough of two rotten individuals. The excessive pattern of deception is unlikely to have just popped up out of the blue. You've bought it hook line and sinker just as they wanted, and so did the University. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that for some people, if the races and genders were reversed, that they would have a completely different interpretation, myself possibly included.
alongway is sticking to the facts of the case. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Possibly because some of the replies to this thread confirm it. Even after the girls are proven to be liars beyond all doubt people are still defending them. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Possibly because some of the replies to this thread confirm it. Even after the girls are proven to be liars beyond all doubt people are still defending them. |
Yep, you've got that and then again you have one keeping the fight alive by going to painstakingly great lengths to say that they are liars ad-naseum. It is an endless cycle of he did/they did. |
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lemak
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Good news all around.
-The girls keep their degrees which judging by the crap they've had to put up with well and truly earned.
-An unprofessional, abusive bully received a much deserved sanction.
-The university was able to salvage its credibility and reputation.
-Posters on here managed to get Alongtheway to use the word "Liar" another 3 or 4,000 times. 
Alls well that ends well. |
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salutbonjour
Joined: 22 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Those girls lost all respect after lying in their written piece on the internet. They had a chance to explain things giving an accurate description of the situation and sway people over, but they gave an explanation that contradicts what they said on the video thus losing many peoples' respect. They might have got what they wanted, but they should be held in contempt. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:10 am Post subject: |
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I am happy that the professor was shamed and lost a lot of money.
I am less happy that people have commented for 10 pages now that a pair of Indonesian girls deserved the professor's racist abuse. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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If I lied, both face to face and in the papers about someone, I wouldn't be shocked and stunned if they got in my face or threw a racial slur.
Do I deserve it..? I sure deserve something... |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
If I lied, both face to face and in the papers about someone, I wouldn't be shocked and stunned if they got in my face or threw a racial slur.
Do I deserve it..? I sure deserve something... |
Why not a personal slur?
I don't really see why there'd be a need for a racial slur in that sort of case. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
If I lied, both face to face and in the papers about someone, I wouldn't be shocked and stunned if they got in my face or threw a racial slur.
Do I deserve it..? I sure deserve something... |
Why not a personal slur?
I don't really see why there'd be a need for a racial slur in that sort of case. |
The reason why steelrails and patrickbusan do not see racism on local media is because to them racial slurs ARE personal slurs^^ |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
If I lied, both face to face and in the papers about someone, I wouldn't be shocked and stunned if they got in my face or threw a racial slur.
Do I deserve it..? I sure deserve something... |
Why not a personal slur?
I don't really see why there'd be a need for a racial slur in that sort of case. |
I'm just saying that if I completely screwed over someone, I'm not going to recoil in horror if they called me a "dirty, scheming jap" or something like that, nor would I claim that somehow, now I am the victim.
Now, if someone says that to a person without cause, smears a group, or issues it as a prelude to an assault or other invasive action, then it is wrong and should be condemned.
I wouldn't do it to someone else. I would say people shouldn't take it down that road.
I've been called a racial slur many times. Most of the time in jest, a few times in hate-based bigotry. And once when I was a teenager and screwed someone over. The last, I didn't really care, I had been a major arse.
I guess this shouldn't apply here because this is more of a "man law" kind of thing. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
If I lied, both face to face and in the papers about someone, I wouldn't be shocked and stunned if they got in my face or threw a racial slur.
Do I deserve it..? I sure deserve something... |
Why not a personal slur?
I don't really see why there'd be a need for a racial slur in that sort of case. |
I'm just saying that if I completely screwed over someone, I'm not going to recoil in horror if they called me a "dirty, scheming jap" or something like that, nor would I claim that somehow, now I am the victim.
Now, if someone says that to a person without cause, smears a group, or issues it as a prelude to an assault or other invasive action, then it is wrong and should be condemned.
I wouldn't do it to someone else. I would say people shouldn't take it down that road.
I've been called a racial slur many times. Most of the time in jest, a few times in hate-based bigotry. And once when I was a teenager and screwed someone over. The last, I didn't really care, I had been a major arse.
I guess this shouldn't apply here because this is more of a "man law" kind of thing. |
Or he could of just said, "You still have a paper outstanding as per the requirements of the scholarship." If they still didn't do the work then he would have every right to seek legal action against the girls.
At no point does it entitle you to be a racist. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
If I lied, both face to face and in the papers about someone, I wouldn't be shocked and stunned if they got in my face or threw a racial slur.
Do I deserve it..? I sure deserve something... |
Why not a personal slur?
I don't really see why there'd be a need for a racial slur in that sort of case. |
I'm just saying that if I completely screwed over someone, I'm not going to recoil in horror if they called me a "dirty, scheming jap" or something like that, nor would I claim that somehow, now I am the victim.
Now, if someone says that to a person without cause, smears a group, or issues it as a prelude to an assault or other invasive action, then it is wrong and should be condemned.
I wouldn't do it to someone else. I would say people shouldn't take it down that road.
I've been called a racial slur many times. Most of the time in jest, a few times in hate-based bigotry. And once when I was a teenager and screwed someone over. The last, I didn't really care, I had been a major arse.
I guess this shouldn't apply here because this is more of a "man law" kind of thing. |
Nah, I'd still "recoil in horror".
In said scenario, if I have a dispute with someone, and they pull out a racial insult, I'd be wonder WTF that came from. Insult me or my actions, fine. But to insult a whole group because of our disagreement - strikes me as hinting to other issues at play.
And... I say this even if the "insulted" party was in the wrong. Imagine a scenario where a shoplifter gets busted red handed. They stole, but they're trying to talk their way out of it... or even run away. For the shop keeper to start hurling racial slurs at them... to me, that'd be over the line. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Why not a personal slur? |
A personal insult was all I saw him toss out. He said the girls were less than human because of their behavior. Given the situation, that seems entirely reasonable. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| maximmm wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
If I lied, both face to face and in the papers about someone, I wouldn't be shocked and stunned if they got in my face or threw a racial slur.
Do I deserve it..? I sure deserve something... |
Why not a personal slur?
I don't really see why there'd be a need for a racial slur in that sort of case. |
The reason why steelrails and patrickbusan do not see racism on local media is because to them racial slurs ARE personal slurs^^ |
Nope and I would ask that you stop putting words in my mouth or warping what I say on here.
On the other hand, YOU see racism everywhere and seem to live in some form of victim complex coccoon.
By the way, the Prof was wrong to say what he did, even if the girls also share some responsibility (or seem to). |
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