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| I appreciate it. I wasn't the oldest child, but I was one of the oldest in a family of 4 or more children. |
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| I resent it. I wasn't the oldest child, but I was one of the oldest in a family of 4 or more children. |
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| I resent it. I wasn't the youngest child, but I was one of the youngest in a family of 4 or more children. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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The Wegukin Delusion, recently published by the Miriam Ferguson Society Press, is an anthology of essays dealing with the diagnosis and treatment of a very serious psychological malady. The term refers to the mistaken belief, often carried by an English-speaking foreigner, that English-speaking foreigners are capable of learning a second language. The essays in this book analyze the problem from many different viewpoints.
In the first chapter, 스키너 gives us the behaviorist viewpoint, which advocates
positive reinforcement. In 스키너's opinion, a behavioral therapist should laugh nervously and shakes his head if a wegukin speaks Korean, but should react warmly if a wegukin speaks English.
In the second chapter, 라저스 introduces us to client-centered therapy, in which the client is treated with "unconditional positive regard." He presents a case study of Tomato.
In their first session, Tomato beat 라저스's door off the hinges and stamped into the office. "Damn that drugstore clerk! She showed me the price on the calculator, so I shoved the calculator down her throat!" 라저스 calmly said, "Damn that drugstore clerk. She showed you the price on the calculator, so you shoved the calculator down her throat."
Tomato kept ranting. "Some shit ass at the train station grabbed me by the shoulder at the train station and said, '캔 아이 헬프 유.� I let him have it with a round house to his left ear!" Without batting an eye, 라저스 said, "Some shit ass at the train station grabbed you by the shoulder at the train station and said, '캔 아이 헬프 유.� You let him have it with a round house to his left ear."
Tomato pounded his fist on the desk. �If I had my way, I'd line up all the Miriam Ferguson Society members and shoot them!" Without moving a muscle, 라저스 responded, �If you had your way, you'd line up all the Miriam Ferguson Society members and shoot us--I mean them."
And so the session continued. After breaking 라저스's desk lamp, cushioned chair, and coffee table, the client returned on a weekly basis. 라저스 reports a marked improvement in the client's behavior. Now, instead of hitting and kicking Fergusians, the client is content merely to scream and cuss at them.
프로읻 analyzes the wegukin delusion as an Oedipal fixation. He recalls the story of 웅녀, the bear who changed into a woman and gave birth to 단군, the first human king of Korea. 프로읻 calls attention to the male cartoon bears in wegukin society, such as Yogi Bear, the Care Bears, and Winnie the Pooh. In his opinion, the creators of these cartoon bears wish to identify with 단군 and gain possession of 웅녀.
In the chapter on evolutionary psychology, 진화론 contrasts the complex Asian lifestyle with that of the simple wegukin. The Japanese people have 4 levels of politeness while the wegukin people merely shout "Hey, you!" The Korean people have 100 flavors of kimchi while the wegukins are satisfied with their soggy hot dogs and hamburgers. The Chinese people have over 80,000 ideographs while the wegukin children have to learn only 26 crude scribbles.
에런벡 examines the problem from the point of view of cognitive therapy. He explains the terms selective abstraction, or "taking a detail out of context and ignoring the context," and arbitrary inference, or "quickly drawing a conclusion."
에런벡 applies this terminology to the present case. If the client understands 안녕 하세요 and 감사합니다, he may think that he could learn hundreds of other words as well. He may see Koreans displaying knowledge of thousands of English words, expressions, and grammatical points, and think that he can eventually do as well. The client should be reminded that a well-trained dog can understand a few words, such as "heel," "shake," and "roll over." The client must realize that his own level of intelligence is closer to that of a dog than that of a Korean.
Last is an essay by 엘리스, explaining the rational-emotive point of view. Here, the client is seen as suffering from Jehovian dictates, or "psychological dictates on themselves and on others." In this particular case, the client tries to pose as a student of the Korean language and wishes others to regard him as a student of the Korean language.
It is long past time to stand up and fight the wegukin delusion. While we slept, greedy capitalists have established proficiency tests, Korean language classes, and numerous other attempts to take unfair advantage of the wegukin delusion.
As we see from the foregoing examples, there are many sectarian differences which come to the fore when the wegukin delusion is discussed. However, mental health professionals, semi-professionals, and volunteers must compromise these differences before the deadly menace grows any worse. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Tomato, you're my hero; I love reading your posts. And yeah, I get annoyed when Koreans speak English to me too. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: |
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This only pisses me off when the Korean in question's English ability is absolutely horrendous and is looking to practice. I'm at a lower intermediate level now in Korean so I can communicate ok in most situations. Therefore with MOST Koreans I encounter, Korean is the better choice if we are to have a conversation. This doesn't sit well with many of them for some reason.
Therefore, I started to lie. A few weeks ago a drunk guy in a restaurant asked where I was from. I screwed my face up and put on the thickest German accent I could. When he went further I just shook my head and replied in Korean that my English wasn't very good because high school was so long ago and if you can speak French or German that would be better. He kept persisting with his broken and barely comprehensible English but the conversation wasn't going anywhere. He then reverted to Korean and things were much better. I've just started to lie. It may not be honest but I'm here to learn Korean and I'm not getting trapped in that English practice crap. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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I've wanted to try that trick.
I've wanted to pretend that I was a Venezuelan loyal to their anti-American president.
Then I would stand up and angrily ask them if they thought I was from the United States.
But I've never had the courage to pull that off. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| wow....just...wow |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100307/ap_on_re_us/us_arizona_bus_crash
Koreans would have us believe that when we ask for a little time spent practicing Korean, we are thinking only of ourselves.
They would have us believe that if we succeed in learning Korean, that would benefit only ourselves.
But has it ever occurred to the Koreans that a wegukin might someday find himself in scene like this one? |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is this Miriam Ferguson you keep mentioning? Did the first female governor of Texas have some sort of connection to Korea that I'm unaware of? |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:07 am Post subject: |
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She vetoed a bill requiring second language study in the high school curriculum.
Legend has it that she held up a copy of the King James Bible and said,
"If it's good enough for Jesus and the Disciples, it's good enough for the children of Texas."
Because of her opposition to second language learning on the part of English speaking people, the Miriam Ferguson Society chose her for a namesake |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:10 am Post subject: |
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My present employer thinks I'm an abject imbecile.
When we first met, he was concerned about how I was going to move to my new apartment because I'm too stupid to give directions to the movers.
He didn't think I could attend Japanese class or Korean sign language class because I'm too stupid to understand the Korean-speaking teacher.
More recently, he informed me about Chuseok because I'm too stupid to know about Chuseok after living through 10 Chuseoks in 10 years.
The middle school students are currently preparing for an exam.
The director printed out a booklet which involves translating from one language to the other.
Of course, I shouldn't trouble my tender little brain with a task like that, so the director and the Korean teacher are using the booklet without my help.
I got curious about what sort of task I was supposedly capable of.
So I hunted through the trash can next to the copy machine and found some pages.
I tested myself on those pages and sent the following message to the director:
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Hello, John!
I completed this sheet in 12 minutes.
I had to look up 4 words:
1. 어떠세요? = How's it going?
2. 그렇게 좋지 않아요. = That's not right.
3. 나중에 만나요. = See you later.
4. 저 목말라요. = I'm thirsty.
5. 배고프세요? = Are you hungry?
6. 목마르세요? = Are you thirsty?
7. 천만에요. = That's OK.
8. 이거 뭐에요? = What's this?
9. 저 화장실 가야겠어요? = Can I go to the restroom?
10. 질문 있어요. = I have a question.
11. 제가 할 수 있어요. = I can do it.
12. 저는 준비되었어요. = I am ready.
13. 몇 시에요? = What time is it?
14. 제가 졸려요. = I'm sleepy.
15. 기분 좋으세요? = Are you OK?
16. 이쪽으로 오세요. = Come this way.
17. 잠깐만요. = Just a minute.
18. 모르겠어요. = I don't know.
19. 여기 있어요. = Here it is.
20. 보요 주세요. = Let me see.
21. 나에게 물어보세요. = Ask me.
22. 저에게 주세요. = Give it to me.
23. 제가 틀렸어요. = I made a mistake.
24. 좋은 하루 보내세요. = Have a good day.
25. 다 됐어요. = There!
26. 거의 다 됐어요. = It's almost done.
27. 저 좀 기다려 주세요. = Please wait a minute.
28. 계속 해보세요. = Keep trying.
29. Jane 아세요? = Do you know Jane?
30. 더워요. = It's hot.
31. 뭐가 틀렸죠? = What's wrong?
32. 도와 드릴까요? = Do you need help?
33. 도와 주실래요? = Can you help me?
34. 다 끝났니? = Are you finished?
35. 오늘 무슨 요일이에요? = What day of the week is today?
36. 오늘 며칠이죠? = What day of the month is today?
37. 어제 뭐했니? = What did you do yesterday?
38. 오늘 학교 어땠니? = How was school today?
39. 가장 좋아하는 색깔이 뭐니? = What is your favorite color?
40. 만나서 반가워요. = I'm glad to meet you.
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I completed this sheet in 11 minutes.
I had to look up 9 words:
Why is the delivery late? = 배송이 왜 늘었나요?
Because they had the wrong address. = 그들이 잘못된 주소를 가지고 있었기 때문이에요.
Why is it so noisy next door? = 옆문이 왜 이렇게 소란스럽나요?
Because of the renovations. = 수리 때문에요.
Why did Ms. Hobbs take her bag? = Mrs. Hobbs는 왜 여행 가방을 가져 왔나요?
She's going to Japan. = 그녀는 일본에 가요.
Why did Mr. Kutcher call information? = Mr. Kutcher는 왜 안내 창구에 전화했나요?
He needed directions to the airport. = 그는 공항으로 가는 길 안내가 필요했어요.
Why is Mr. Tkeshi leaving early? = Mr. Tkeshi는 왜 일찍 퇴근하시나요?
He took the last train. = 마지막 기차를 타기 위해서요.
Why is Ms. Thompson looking for another job? = Ms. Thompson은 왜 다른 직업을 찾고 있아뇨?
She wants a better paying position. = 더 나은 임금을 주는 직핵을 찾기 위해서요.
Why was the product launch postponed? = 상품 출시가 왜 연기되었죠?
I don't know. = 모르겠어요.
Why wasn't my bonus included in this month's paycheck? = 제 보너스가 왜 이번 달 월급에 포함되지 않았죠?
I'll call and ask. = 전화해서 물어볼게요.
How many chairs do we need? = 우리는 몇 개의 이자가 필요하죠?
We only need five. = 다섯 개만 필요해요.
They are behind the desks. = 그것들은 책상 뒤에 있어요.
Yes, this fixture is new. = 네, 이 가구는 새 것이에요.
Why did you open the window? = 왜 당신은 창문을 열었나요?
It's near the door. = 그것은 문 근처에 있어요.
Yes, I can do that. = 네, 제가 할 수 있어요.
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I didn't time this one, but I had to look up 9 words.
About one hundred. = 약 100명이요.
How much is the shirt? = 그 셔츠는 얼마인가요?
30 dollars. = 30달러에요.
How often do you eat out? = 얼마나 자주 외식을 하나요?
Twice a week. = 일주일에 두 번이요.
look for = 찾다
repair = 수리
direction = 방향
invoice = 송장
bring = 가져오다
postpone = 연기하다
prepare = 준비하다
change = 이동하다
close = 닫다, 가까운
make sure = 확인하다
submit = 제출하다
late = 늦은
early = 일찍
wrong = 잘못된
correct = 옳은
loud = 시끄러운
1. paint a bright color = 밝은 색을 칠하다
2. the right answer = 장답
3. turn off the light = 등을 끄다
4. on the right side of the street = 길의 오른편에
5. call on the phone = 전화를 끊다
6. have a good vacation = 즐거운 휴가를 보내다
7. plan the schedule = 일정을 계획하다
8. plant some flowers = 꽃을 심다
9. move into a new apartment = 새 아파트를 이사하다
10. open the lid of the pot = 항아리 뚜껑을 열다 |
If this gets me fired from my job, it will be for a worthy cause. |
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postfundie

Joined: 28 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:50 am Post subject: |
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good on you for taking the time to do that homework. You are right to do it because your school asks the students to do the same thing.
let us know if it gets you fired |
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