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[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

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[ontheway]

Ron Paul, and every freemarket economist wants to eliminate taxes on gasoline and eliminate subsidies in the energy, transportation, and other related markets. It's because subsidies and excise taxes cause distortions in the marketplace that cause economic actors to make unwise and inappropriate economic decisions causing massive malinvestment and misallocations of resources and misdirected development.

The massive subsidies provided to consumers of transportation and other types of energy have caused the current disaster. Only the free market can correct the disaster.

We need to end all subsidies and taxes in the transportation and engergy consumption sectors. Then investors can invest in alternative energy safe in the knowledge that their profits will be theirs and will not be stolen under the pretense of some ignorant public initiative.

It was the subsidization of a single transportation mode, the automobile, coupled with other national subsidies to disurbanization, plus taxation and costs imposed by big city socialists, and foolish programs that killed alternative energies.

Worse, by subsidizing trasportation and providing free roads and other free complementary goods, the consumption of energy was pumped up to levels 10s of times higher than would have occurred in a free market.

It would be a disasterous mistake to further subsidize the development of any energy alternatives. The world needs to consume less energy and can INCREASE living standards everywhere by consuming less engergy not only on a per capita basis but on an absolute basis.

The transition can only be accomplished by the free market, and only in the absence of subsidies and taxes. The true cost of energy and transportation needs to be felt in the market by consumers over the long term so they can make rational decisions.

The world needs to be redeveloped to obtain the goods, services and other economic outcomes desired in a market where the factors of production and the satisfactors of consumption are correctly priced in the marketplace. They will then conserve those resources that are in short supply and therefore of higher value. They will redirect their investment and development dollars to consume less energy. This can only be done in an unregulated free market.

A tax free environment must be available to investors so they will be induced to make the best investments.

Our entire disasterous situation is the result of foolish attempts by government to ignore the laws of physics, chemistry, ecomomics and nature.

[ontheway]

In short, the problems we have today came because government subsidized one form of energy through direct subsidies to the oil industry and massive subsidization of complementary goods.

It would be foolish to choose some other alternative form of energy and then repeat the same mistake of direct subsidies. And it would be even more foolish to continue the massive subsidies it takes to provide the low cost and free complementary goods.

Only the free market can solve this problem. The worse things become, the more impossible it is for the government to craft any solution.

The USSR tried these types of programs, Joo. They were called 5 year plans. Every one of them failed. There were no exceptions. Then the USSR collapsed, not because of the US, but inspite of the US. The USSR collapsed under the weight of the failure of socialism.

Now you are proposing to do more of the same in the US. Our problems are the result of the massive failure of the socialism we already are forced to endure.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[ontheway]

I already explained it, Joo, you just didn't understand.

You can't repeal the laws of economics. You can't vote to change the laws of physics.

Ultimately, this is why liberty works and democracy does not.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Why is it better not to have a gas tax in order to get Americans to use less oil?

The US ought to have a mahattan project to invest in alternative energy.

the Manhattan project wasn't by private enterprise either.

[igotthisguitar]

[Ya-ta Boy]

I'm a conservative. I want to return to the golden age of fiscal responsibility and cautious foreign policy with 'adventures' only undertaken in conjunction with allies. Therefore, I will have no trouble voting for Senator Clinton if she is the nominee.

Ron Paul is not a conservative. He is a reactionary. He wants to return to the age of the robber barons, circa 1872. Dress his message up any way you want to, it is still a call to return to the bad old days. We tried it, saw what it was, and adopted reforms.

[deadman]

[ontheway]

Joo, Gopher and Yata have apparently not studied economics or history.

The policies Joo wants to follow are more of the same policies we already have. These policies have caused the problems that Joo laments. His socialist agenda has failed around the world, and in the US, but he wants more. This has all been explained to him but he doesn't get it. He posts the same thing over, and over, and over, and over ... It would take Joo a decade in a good University with qualified teachers to overcome his lack of education.


Yata, you haven't studied the history of the era you are discussing. Every instance of "Robber Barons" manipulating, stealing, defrauding in that era has been traced to some piece of legislation that gave some land, money or other benefit to the people involved, or in some cases, where the legislature involved, often at the state level, actually legalized certain types of fraud that are illegal in a free market under common law. In short, it was Socialism as practiced in that era.


Socialism and the other forms of government control and military interventionism are the oldest political ideas on Earth. These ideas have been dusted off and recycled by kings, dictators, power hungry pols and rulers of various denominations for thousands of years. Evil leaders willing to use the power of the state to achieve their goals are evil. Having been restated and couched in different language by Marx, Lennin, Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Castro, Pol Pot, Khomeni, Chavez, Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani or Osama Bin Laden doesn't change the evil involved. The fact that you are fellow travelers with such a group does not make you educated, intelligent and especially doesn't make you modern. You are throwbacks to the ages of evil. Fooled by propaganda and lacking the education to understand, you are tools of the latest power hungry evil pretender seeking the throne. You are proof that some people can be fooled continuously throughout their lives.


The newest ideas in existence in economic and political thought are those of liberty and the free market. These are the ideas of John Locke, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, Samuel Adams, George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, Milton Freedman, Ayn Rand, Ludwig Von Mises, Frederich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, Clint Eastwood, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowel, and even Allan Greenspan (if you read his history and political statements you will find he is a follower of Ayn Rand and a libertarian).They are the only ideas to have been proven to work both in theory and empirically. These are the truly modern ideas and Ron Paul and the other millions of his supporters of liberty, civil rights, free markets and free trade are in the vanguard.


There is no convincing you, for you lack the tools of understanding. But you are free to travel with your group of kindred thinkers, and I will travel with mine.

[ernie]

woot ^

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[quote="ontheway"]Joo, Gopher and Yata have apparently not studied economics or history.