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Giant
Joined: 14 May 2003
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I recently bought a fuji f50 compact camera. The Fuji cameras are said
to be good in low light and this one has some manual settings, but no
manual focus.
Would an entry level DSLR really be any better? |
I think you may be missing the point with a DSLR. There are a ton more options with a DSLR... multiple lenses, filters ets. that you cannot use on a dica. Also DSLR's usually have more features.
Just wanted to add also that you cant compare dicas with DSLRs. Two different classes of camera, like a VW or a Mercedes car. |
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superdave
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Giant wrote: |
| I think you may be missing the point with a DSLR. There are a ton more options with a DSLR... multiple lenses, filters ets. that you cannot use on a dica. Also DSLR's usually have more features. |
i couldn't agree more ... does your f50 deliver 5 frames per second? there's a lot of other features, too, that dslrs offer which a hybrid cannot.
don't get me wrong ... i think hybrid point and shoot cameras (with manual functions) are a great idea. it gives a lot more control than just clicking a button and letting the computer do the work for you.
but as giant said, it's a long (long, long) leap to dslr technology.
actually, i'm in two minds about the new nikon releases. the d300 and d3 are great cameras. and nikon has finally gone full frame with the d3. but i'm not a big fan of this live preview crap. i'm far from a purist, but a live preview just isn't slr photography.
but 11 frames per second?? that's hard core! someone want to lend me $5000 so i can buy a d3?  |
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Giant
Joined: 14 May 2003
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| but 11 frames per second?? that's hard core! someone want to lend me $5000 so i can buy a d3? |
Oh yes, I would love to get a D3. But I will most likely save and get a D300 now that they are out, and give the D80 to my wife. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| dogshed wrote: |
I recently bought a fuji f50 compact camera. The Fuji cameras are said
to be good in low light and this one has some manual settings, but no
manual focus.
Would an entry level DSLR really be any better? |
apples and oranges...
On the automatic settings, entry level DSLRs are about the same and for your average user the P&S camera is more than adequate and has a lower price. Nice pics, low light capability, point and shoot.
But your P&S doesn't grow beyond that. The DSLRs do. Vairable shutter speeds, change the f-stop, change the lenses and the whole world begins to change.
It really depends on what you want your camera for, the type of photos you take and your interests as a photographer.
My wife has an excellent eye and takes awsome shots. The DSLR was bought for her and the improvement and quality has also gone way up with it.
Me - I am nothing more than a hack taking snaps on full auto and it is overkill. My old pentax 3.3 megapixel point and shoot was more than adequate. |
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reaction
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| Anyone know much about Canons? I used to have a Rebel XT but returned it after seeing the pictures my friend made with a 20D. I'm thinking about getting a 20D or a even a 30D. Where's a good place to buy a DSLR and what's your opinion about Canons vs. Nikon? I'm not a professional yet, but I'm eager to learn and I need to get started on my film school portfolio -- will apply after I'm done teaching and saving up money here. |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
| dogshed wrote: |
I recently bought a fuji f50 compact camera. The Fuji cameras are said
to be good in low light and this one has some manual settings, but no
manual focus.
Would an entry level DSLR really be any better? |
This one?
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/f/finepix_f50fd/index.html
How do you like it.
It is on my short list along with the Panny FX100 and the Canon SD950.
(I'm also looking at the Coolpix S51 and the Finepix Z100) |
I like it, but I haven't used that many cameras, so how do I compare? It does better in low light than my Kodak, but that's not saying much. Would one of the lower resolution Fujis have given me better low light pictures?
I don't know.
There is no fully manual selection. You have aperture priority and shutter priority, but it takes some practice to set them without turning on the flash
or the timer accidentally.
It has two notches on the dial that can each be set to a variety of program modes.
There are some tricks you can do. With a small aperture focus isn't
that critical so you can take your readings off darker or lighter things
without worrying about the focus. With a larger aperture if you have to take your readings off of something lighter or darker to get the correct focus then you can manually darken or lighten the picture.
There is no manual focus. If you take a picture through a dirty window it will focus on the window.
It uses a proprietary battery. I tend to spend a lot of time setting up the
shot so I burned up the batteries pretty fast. I bought two spares. My last
two digital cameras used AA batteries. They don't charge as fast, but the
AA batteries cost much less and you can always buy AA's if needed.
I like the light weight, but it being small means it's hard to hold still, and it's easy to drop. I never dropped my film SLR, but I've already put a dent
in this one when it popped out of my pocket while I was going up some
stairs. I'm lucky it didn't go over the edge.
I would like to have the larger sensor, interchangeable lenses, and more manual settings, but I'm not sure I would want to carry all that stuff with me. Also, I really don't want to use the viewfinder. |
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Giant
Joined: 14 May 2003
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
apples and oranges...
On the automatic settings, entry level DSLRs are about the same and for your average user the P&S camera is more than adequate and has a lower price. Nice pics, low light capability, point and shoot.
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Apples and oranges? I am not sure that can apply here. They are not in the same league, like a grape is an not an orange. Yes they are both fruits but not anywhere near the same.
P&S cameras come close to DSLR's (for happy snaps) but not close enough for my liking. I have had a few P&S cameras and a few DSLR's.... Everytime the DSLR blew the P&S away. Even on simple stuff.
Anyway, I do agree with you that its what you want from the camera and one needs to know what balance of price/conveniance/features one needs.
@ reaction
I also used a Rebel XT, nice camera, but just did not like the feel of it, and since going to Nikon, I have not looked back. I dont want to start any wars but I prefer Nikon. If you pick up a Nikon DSLR and pick up a Canon DSLR... there is just something about the feel of the Nikon that seemed better. It seemed better assembled as well. (For me anyway)
These are just my 5cents and I am sure that many will disagree but thats just my experiance that will differ from yours. |
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zai
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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if you want the full package i would say go with both a p&s and a dslr. that's the combination i have right now. sometimes i find the dslr too bulky to carry around for casual shooting. i currently have the fuji finepix f40fd and for a p&s it shoots great in low light, but nothing compared to my dslr. size vs. flexibility/quality. anyways this is veering from the op.
cheers. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I have a Nikon Film SLR (N80), Nikon D70 DSLR with a few nice lenses, and a Fuji F30.
Guess which one I use most? The fuji. I've done the full circle and ended up at the P&S. Funny, isnt't it? I realized that the best picture you can take is the one you actually take! I found that lugging around the SLRs was too much effort unless I was going out specifically for photography.
How does the F30 do?
ISO 800 / F30 |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| I realized that the best picture you can take is the one you actually take! |
That's certainly true. I adore my DSLR, rarely use my crappy (and it is crappy) P&S but I still have no shame using my handphone for photos. Some of my poorest quality yet most favored shots have been taken with it. |
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Giant
Joined: 14 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, for alot of people conveniance is most important. I know for me I lug around a backpack thats full of just camera equipment, is it a burden sometimes... you bet!! But that is a sacrifice I am willing to do to get a good shot. |
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nobbyken
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if this is divering the thread or not, but
I have a Coolpix S5 (wife had it before we married), and I love it.
Problem is that sometimes when you take a picture with flash, in a low light environment, the picture can be very dark.
The only way round this I know is to switch the flash off, but then you have to hold the camera very still, or you get a rubbish photo.
Any advice guys?
Again apologies for diverting the thread, but many experts here, I couldn't resist it.
Rather than post on the thread, could anybody pm me instead? |
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superdave
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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well, it's probably spreading the thread a little too wide ... but depending on your camera's options, you could try manually setting the ISO to a higher number, like 800 or 1600.
that's gonna be high, and your shots might turn out a little more grainy ... but a higher iso will help some.
also, some flashes have options for how strong you want the flash to fire. if it's not strong enough, maybe you can change the settings.
... i'm siding with giant. i'd rather carry a backpack full of camera gear, then take a point and shoot ... at the end of the day, the results are worth the 5kg of kit! LOL
btw, there's a big fireworks festival on this saturday night (13th) along the han river ... set up a tripod and photograph the fireworks. 2 to 5 second shutter speeds ... you should get some good shots! |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I just bought the Fuji fine pix s6000 fd, Is this a dslr or a point and shoot with a manual focus. I'm just getting into photography and works good for me. The price was right and it takes really good photo's. For the experts out there is this camera high quality or is it a P&S. |
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superdave
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| shaunew wrote: |
| For the experts out there is this camera high quality or is it a P&S. |
your fuji is what's known as a 'bridge' camera ... or a hybrid. they're designed for people who aren't truly interested in the full DSLR experience, but want the ability to tailor their shots and photograph settings.
although not a full blown dslr, these bridge cameras are quite popular and produce very high quality images.
i have to say that it's more about the photographer than the kit ... give ansel adams a $20 disposable camera and he'd have still produced images more amazing than someone with $5000 of kit.
nothing wrong with your fuji mate ... i'm sure it gets the job done! |
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