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| Who has read the Bible and Koran completely more than once |
| I have read the Bible and Koran more than once |
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52% |
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| I have read the Bible and Koran once |
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17% |
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| I have read sentences from the Bible and Koran and used them |
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26% |
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| I have been told that these sentences exist in the Bible and Koran |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| JMO wrote: |
| Well I went to church every week for most of my life and 3 times a week when I was an altar boy. That was mainly new testament..gospels. Maybe some ofthe readings were OT, im not sure. |
The churches I know which have altar boys (Roman Catholic and Anglican Communion) had three readings from Scripture during the Mass/Eucharist: first, Old Testament; second, Gospel; third, Acts of the Apostles, one of the Epistles, or Revelation.
At least that's the way I recall the order. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: Re: For those who criticise the Christians and Muslims |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| For those on this forum who criticise the Christians and Muslims, who has actually read the Bible or the Quaran (Koran) from beginning to end? |
I've read all of the Bible at least once, many parts of it numerous times over. Particularly Genesis, Exodus, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Daniel, and all of the NT. I've never read the Koran (wanted to as a teen but parents said it would bring evil spirits into the home), thus I do not attempt to criticize tenets of their religion. I do, however, judge their performance as a group, and I don't like what I see. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible. |
True, yet the reinterpret it on a daily basis. |
Yep, which is why it's helpful to know which ones are full of *beep* / making it up as they go along and which aren't. |
Eh, who has time to cherry pick intelligible verses from the Bible? Not a single book is logical start to finish, and it would take forever to compile the worthwhile verses, so I just dismiss the whole tome in one go and move on. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| whatever wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible. |
True, yet the reinterpret it on a daily basis. |
Yep, which is why it's helpful to know which ones are full of *beep* / making it up as they go along and which aren't. |
Eh, who has time to cherry pick intelligible verses from the Bible� |
The people that spend a lot of time on forums arguing with Christians, obviously. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| Well I went to church every week for most of my life and 3 times a week when I was an altar boy. That was mainly new testament..gospels. Maybe some ofthe readings were OT, im not sure. |
The churches I know which have altar boys (Roman Catholic and Anglican Communion) had three readings from Scripture during the Mass/Eucharist: first, Old Testament; second, Gospel; third, Acts of the Apostles, one of the Epistles, or Revelation.
At least that's the way I recall the order. |
i think you are right, except it is gospel last. i havn't been to mass since last xmas though but gospel comes last. |
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Grimalkin
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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I've read the bible many times and I love it! I still believe it to be mainly fiction though but it is a fascinating insight in another culture and times. I especially like the different facets of Yahweh's character, at times vengeful, menacing and intolerant as portrayed by some of the authors at others pining for and desolated by the infidelities of his chosen people. Who can resist...
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Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how can I forget you oh Jerusalem?
Can a woman forget the child of her womb or a mother her
suckling son? Even if she could I could not forget you!
Lo I have engraved you on the palms of my hands. |
and how it resonates with the character of Jesus when he weeps over the fate that awaits Jerusalem...
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Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how I would have gathered you
like a mother hen gathers it's chicks under it's wings
but you would not. Lo your temple is destroyed and
your cities are desolate!
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At it's best the bible is pure poetry and even at it's worst it is still great literature!
I've also read the book of Mormon (tedious and trite) and I started the Koran as a teenager but got bored and gave up. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| whatever wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible. |
True, yet the reinterpret it on a daily basis. |
Yep, which is why it's helpful to know which ones are full of *beep* / making it up as they go along and which aren't. |
Eh, who has time to cherry pick intelligible verses from the Bible� |
The people that spend a lot of time on forums arguing with Christians, obviously. |
Oh, I was trying to make a joke since your post seemed to be about people, not books of the Bible. Ohhhh welll. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| whatever wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| That analogy doesn't work of course because Hitler was the author of the book whereas Christians haven't each written the Bible. |
True, yet the reinterpret it on a daily basis. |
Yep, which is why it's helpful to know which ones are full of *beep* / making it up as they go along and which aren't. |
Eh, who has time to cherry pick intelligible verses from the Bible� |
The people that spend a lot of time on forums arguing with Christians, obviously. |
Oh, I was trying to make a joke since your post seemed to be about people, not books of the Bible. Ohhhh welll. |
Missed the joke, oh well! Darn it! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Summerwine do you just like asking dumb questions and then flee? |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Summerwine do you just like asking dumb questions and then flee?
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Firstly, I don't live on the internet, so I am not always able to answer the issues so quickly.
Secondly, over the years I have read a number of criticisms about Christianity and they invariably used the old testement on Daves.
As the old testement is related more to jewish culture than christian culture, its not a stupid question.
If you consider it stupid to ask through a poll whether a person understands a religion when they tend to use points that aren't completely relevent then I am stupid.
But either way, in this case you are asking the question of my intelligence and not the question about whether the issues raised against christianity or Islam are truly relevant.
I guess what I am trying to say that if its ok to use the old testement written over 3000 years ago to discredit christianity today, then its ok to use atheism in 1950's Russia to descredit atheism today. Is that ok?
Or is that another stupid question? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| I guess what I am trying to say that if its ok to use the old testement written over 3000 years ago to discredit christianity today, then its ok to use atheism in 1950's Russia to descredit atheism today. Is that ok? |
I would not mock the OT if Christians didn't use the OT to justify their hate. Simple as that. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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I would not mock the OT if Christians didn't use the OT to justify their hate. Simple as that.
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What christians?
If you read revelations, then you will read different messages to different churches, not every church is the same.
Personally, you explain it as all christians use the OT to justfy their hate but who are you speaking too? Are you blaming the quakers for not supporting violence? Are you blaming the chinese christians for seeking freedom of speech?
Who are all these so called christians using the OT to justify their hatred? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| I've never read the Koran, but most of the times it seems I know the Bible better than Christians. Not too strange though--probably if you polled Christians and atheists you'd find the atheists know the Bible better. The reason is probably just if you actually read the thing enough you'll see how much crap it is. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Who are all these so called christians using the OT to justify their hatred? |
Christian fundamentalists. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Seconded. 
If one thinks Bible-beating fundamentalists are bad, what should one think of Dawkins-beating militant atheists on this board? The tactics being used are really no different from one another, and the arguments are always the same over and over and over again.
Zzzzzz . . . . . |
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