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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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Nah, LCD is still only for reviewing images. Even when I had a point and click, I never used it. Just didn't seem proper to me.
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| One option is to set the self timer for something low (1 second, 2 seconds) and use that. |
Ooo! I like that idea!
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| Improvise with something steady (not your gut, as you used in one shot). |
Hey!
Don't dis the gut-pod. 
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| 3. Take a crazy number of shots. |
I totally rely on this. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| OK. Wow. And you have a DSLR? |
Heh, nerd. |
Me? Yeah. I majored in philosophy. I know I'm a nerd. I'm OK with that. 
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Actually, I'm not that ignorant of how to use the camera. I've never bothered learning the jargon because I'm one of those hands-on/ learn from mistakes sorts and a lot of terms coming at me just makes me go, "Durr... math?" |
But I don't actually think in terms of the math. I think in terms of the stops. But when you understand the math, you understand the stops.
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At the bar during a gig situation, with a lot of people moving about, I had to find a happy medium and try my best to get something to come out.
Which is why for my original need for advice. The next time the situation comes up, I'll spend less time thumbing dials, and more time pointing.
BUT~
What you wrote there was really useful and I've copied and pasted it. So thanks. |
Cool. Seriously, practice practice practice. It amazes my parents (esp my dad, who got me into photography) that I can eyeball meter a scene and get it right the vast majority of the time. It's become second nature. And for the times I can't figure it out (night is still difficult though I've learned night is often brighter than you think!), I pull out my exposure charts.
Yes, I made my own exposure chart. Yes, I am a dork. BUT if you want a copy of it, PM me your email addy and I'll send it in doc format. (That offer stands for anyone.) |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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If you are struggling in low-light conditions, would it be too "destructive" to just use the flash?
Also I think "noise" or graininess is a small price to pay for good sharp action shots. Its also less apparent depending on the background you have.
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| Take a crazy number of shots. |
All that means is you'll have to spend ages deleting them.
If lighting is poor it will make zero difference. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| If you are struggling in low-light conditions, would it be too "destructive" to just use the flash? |
I don't like the way a camera flash lights things.
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| All that means is you'll have to spend ages deleting them. |
I got a 200 GB harddrive, nothing has been deleted in a long time... |
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indytrucks
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| I don't like the way a camera flash lights things. |
Does your DSLR have a built-in flash, or a hotshoe? Because if it has a hotshoe, you can buy a flash with a positionable head, and experiment bouncing the flash light off the ceiling or wall.
Just an idea. I suck with a flash. I rarely use one. Very rarely I use mine for fill-in. I tend to only use it as a very last resort. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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It's got both! The built in stays hidden until needed.
If I decide to get really serious about photography one day, I may get a fancy flash, and a heap of lenses. Right now I just want to improve my good/ sucky ratio |
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lotuseater
Joined: 22 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: Software and a 2 buck "tripod" |
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I never used to be happy with photos taken above 200 "iso" (hate that word for digital cameras) and I never used to push my camera above that but I have been using a program called noise ninja and more recently a Nik photoshop plug in called Define that do a wonderful job of removing some of the noise at higher "ISO" settings. I have had really good luck with these and though they don't work with all images, for the good majority of noisy images they both do a wonderful job. I don't see much of a difference between them so which ever you have better luck getting a hold of, it is worth the investment.
And for while you are out on the shoot and a tripod is not allowed/desired/practical, tie a 2 metre or so piece of string to the neck strap holes on the camera so that you can hold the camera and step on the loop of string. it will help to stabilize the camera. Sounds silly but it really does work. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Software and a 2 buck "tripod" |
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I never used to be happy with photos taken above 200 "iso" (hate that word for digital cameras) and I never used to push my camera above that but I have been using a program called noise ninja and more recently a Nik photoshop plug in called Define that do a wonderful job of removing some of the noise at higher "ISO" settings. I have had really good luck with these and though they don't work with all images, for the good majority of noisy images they both do a wonderful job. I don't see much of a difference between them so which ever you have better luck getting a hold of, it is worth the investment.
And for while you are out on the shoot and a tripod is not allowed/desired/practical, tie a 2 metre or so piece of string to the neck strap holes on the camera so that you can hold the camera and step on the loop of string. it will help to stabilize the camera. Sounds silly but it really does work. |
A good camera should not be giving you any trouble at 200 iso.
As far as Noise Ninja, never has a bigger cancer been unleashed on photography. I just dont get this obsession with sterile photos. Some noise/grain is NOT a bad thing. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Software and a 2 buck "tripod" |
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A good camera should not be giving you any trouble at 200 iso.
As far as Noise Ninja, never has a bigger cancer been unleashed on photography. I just dont get this obsession with sterile photos. Some noise/grain is NOT a bad thing. |
I think this is possibly the first time in my posting history I've agreed with Jinju. (Though I don't think any good camera should be giving noise at 400 or even 800 under most circumstances.) |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Oh yeah this thread.
Atavistic has been giving me some good advice recently, for which I thank her. And those charts she made are pretty awesome.
I got the 50mm f/1.8 instead of the 50mm f/1.4 last weekend. The price was right for my level of dedication to the art of photography. Ie: If I'm going to spend 350,000 won on something, it's going to be for more reasons than to hang with the cool kids on Flickr. Of course, my photography nerd coworker was like, "A stiff breeze will cause it to explode in a million fiery pieces of shrapnel!"*
I like the shots it takes. I keep forgetting there's no zoom so the sneaker zoom is taking some getting used to. I haven't had the chance to use it in the conditions that caused me to originally start this thread, but I tried to fake them at home by taking this test shot of the Dobro guitar I'm holding for a friend.
I wasn't too sure of it at first, but I've been assured by wiser heads that it's pretty okay considering the lighting conditions.
Once I get more chances to go snapping, I'll try to give the lens, and Atavistic's charts, more of workout.
* I may me be exaggerating her position on the lens
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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I got the 50mm f/8 instead of the 50mm f/4 last weekend. |
I think you mean f/1.8 instead of f/1.4.
And glad the charts are working for you. Anyone else, offer still stands! |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| I think you mean f/1.8 instead of f/1.4. |
Hmmm...? I know not of these terminology mistakes of which you speak. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I got the 50mm f/1.8 |
Congrats. You've taken your first step into a larger world. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I got the 50mm f/1.8 |
Congrats. You've taken your first step into a larger world. |
nah..getting a good wide angle lens is the real step. Managing a frame between 24 and 35mm (FF equivalent) is what separates the men from the boys. On a crop body with the 50mm its just too easy to get what you want. Though thats why its a useful tool. Turn up the bokeh and you can cut like a surgeon. Mount a 17-35mm lens though, now thats a different story. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| I got the 50mm f/1.8 |
Congrats. You've taken your first step into a larger world. |
nah..getting a good wide angle lens is the real step. Managing a frame between 24 and 35mm (FF equivalent) is what separates the men from the boys. On a crop body with the 50mm its just too easy to get what you want. Though thats why its a useful tool. Turn up the bokeh and you can cut like a surgeon. Mount a 17-35mm lens though, now thats a different story. |
* Sigh *
That's why I said first step. One thing at a time.
I had momentarily forgotten about the crop factor business, though. Reason number 3,476 why you will have to pry my film camera from my cold, dead hand.
PS In the new year I'm treating myself to a new, fast wide angle. |
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