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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Another masterpiece by Steve. Too bad he tried to ignore losing an argument and making an error. Heaven forbid anyone make an error.
HEY STEVE, WHY DON'T YOU START A THREAD ABOUT HOW SIESTAS ARE AN EXCUSE FOR LATIN AMERICANS TO BE LAZY?
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blade wishfully expressed:
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| Chavez in power but the truth of the matter is that despite Chavez's many flaws he is still in my opinion a force for good in Venezuela |
We should take bets on when you'll be eating these words. Chavez will be a dictator before long, mark my words, unless Venezuelans rise up. This is not just a class issue anymore.
Uribe is the only political leader in Columbia in a position of power with any spine to fight FARC. Surely you don't condone the latter's activities? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Anyhow, I believe that people should give given what they want. The Venezuelans want economic disaster and a death to democracy and I say let'm have it. |
I don't know if you this or not but Venezuela was not exactly a capitalist paradise before Chavez became president and in fact the lives of the majority of Venezuelans has improved. I know if you were a member of the upper classes in Venezuela why you might have a problem with Chavez in power but the truth of the matter is that despite Chavez's many flaws he is still in my opinion a force for good in Venezuela and maybe in Columbia if they can quicken the political demise of that b%$tard Uribe, who for some strange reason seems to attract very little criticism from the west despite his major democratic shortcomings. |
You're kidding right?
My next door neighbor is from Venezuela. She is not upper middle class, and is fortunate enough to have a full scholarship here at UCSD. Why is she here?
Well prior to enrolling here, she worked for the Venezuelan oil company. A couple years into Chavez's presidency, her foreign boss was fired. He had been there for over 20 years and had spent more of his adult life in Venezuela than anywhere else. His replacement was a Chavez supporter. My neighbor was a little disappointed over the change, but could see a little logic in replacing a foreigner with a native. At least it helps some of her countrymen right?
Then came the "dress code." More and more employees began to wear the colors of Chavez's party to work. Eventually my neighbor was asked, "Why aren't you wearing the colors? Don't you support our President? What's wrong with you?" So she relented and started wearing the same colors as everyone else. At that point, she started looking at grad schools...
And now she's here. The only way she was able to convert her money into dollars was showing proof that she was a student overseas. Otherwise, she would not have been able to exchange money.
She has plenty to say about Chavez and FARC too. They have a nice cozy relationship.
I have one other classmate from Venezuela who hates Chavez, but she is part of that upper rung of society you refer to. She's here simply because her family is concerned she won't have any career prospects at home.
Yup Chavez, one hell of a guy!
Meanwhile, in Colombia, there is relative peace. There has been less violence during Uribe's presidency than there has been in decades. In addition, the economy has been booming. Unlike Chavez, Uribe hasn't shut down the media nor is he trying to take reign over the key economic components of the country.
Why should there be widespread criticism of a president that has been rather successful?? |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Idiotarians United....
Two oily megalomaniacs...
Look, I'm an intellectual...I read Chumpsky too, just like wet-behind-the-ears ESL teachers!
Fashion Forward
[img]http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/system/files?file=images/chavez-parrot.jpg[/img]
Mao's got nothing on me
Can you feel the love?
Sucking face with the Idiot
I hate white people too
Democracy Shmemocracy...just suck on our oil
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
You're kidding right?
My next door neighbor is from Venezuela. She is not upper middle class, and is fortunate enough to have a full scholarship here at UCSD. Why is she here?
Well prior to enrolling here, she worked for the Venezuelan oil company. A couple years into Chavez's presidency, her foreign boss was fired. |
Yes, remind me again why her foreign boss was fired, was it because her foreign boss and oil workers decided to try and help oust Chavez from power right after he won a overwhelming victory in a referendum put forward by the opposition which wanted to impeach him. |
yeah, i sincerely doubt that a middle manager had any role in that attempted coup d'etat. Come on, let's keep things in perspective.
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He had been there for over 20 years and had spent more of his adult life in Venezuela than anywhere else. His replacement was a Chavez supporter. My neighbor was a little disappointed over the change, but could see a little logic in replacing a foreigner with a native. At least it helps some of her countrymen right? |
I'm sorry for your friend but to be honest Chavez was left was left with few other options considering that many of the former oil workers were put their by previous regimes seeking to reward their supporters and were shown to be help undermine their elected government. |
Source? What makes you say this? what is your evidence?
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Before Chavez if you were not part of the middle class you stood a zero chance of even getting to University never mind grad school, and in fact many didn't even get to go to public school! |
Do you have anything to back this up?
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She has plenty to say about Chavez and FARC too. They have a nice cozy relationship. |
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| Sure he has, what ever dude |
Are you really that naive?? Why oh why do you think Chavez became involved in the FARC-Colombia negotiations? Because he's just sweet natured and the ultimate diplomat? I know not even you would make the claim that Chavez is diplomatic. 
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Meanwhile, in Colombia, there is relative peace. There has been less violence during Uribe's presidency than there has been in decades. In addition, the economy has been booming. Unlike Chavez, Uribe hasn't shut down the media nor is he trying to take reign over the key economic components of the country. |
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| Ya Colombia is great just don't try and join a union or you might end up having a early dirt nap. |
So now it is bad to be a union member, whereas before it was bad to be pretty much anything. I'd say that's an improvement personally.
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First ask who is doing most of the criticizing? Perhaps its those who have millions and dollars over the last view years trying undermine Chavez through their varies news out lets in Venezuela or perhaps their friends the US who also like to see the back of Chavez? |
Huh? I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you saying those are trying to get rid of Chavez are also criticizing Uribe? Umm I doubt that. |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| hey sundubuman: you're a joke |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Idiotarians United....
Two oily megalomaniacs...
Look, I'm an intellectual...I read Chumpsky too, just like wet-behind-the-ears ESL teachers!
Fashion Forward
[img]http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/system/files?file=images/chavez-parrot.jpg[/img]
Mao's got nothing on me
Can you feel the love?
Sucking face with the Idiot
I hate white people too
Democracy Shmemocracy...just suck on our oil
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Sure sign that your losing your argument when you need to resort to childish insults and smugly captioned pictures  |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
Sure sign that your losing your argument when you need to resort to childish insults and smugly captioned pictures |
A picture says a thousand words, or in Subdubuman's case; says eight thousand words.
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| hey sundubuman: you're a joke |
So is Hugo Chavez. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| hey sundubuman: you're a joke |
I know you are but what am I?
I posted the pictures because they speak volumes about Chavez. And I think the op raises a very valid question. If Chavez is good enough for a string of Hollywood and aging hippy lefties, why can't a few of you muster the energy to raise the flag for the great bolivarian revolution?
Is it possible that the left is losing its idiotic edge? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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That's right. 50% of people are left and 50% of the people are right. That means 50% of the people in the world support Chavez and the other 50% of the people in the world support Hitler.
The world is a much easier place to understand if you can just divide everyone down the middle on the right/left line.
It's most irritating to watch current US politics where parties change thinking on something, and everything is switched. Outsourcing for one. Republicans were once against it, then suddenly Bush said it was good, and Dems are against it, and Republicans then support it.
That left/right line, really defines who is beyond thinking beyond an issue or not. (If you fit perfectly on all issues on one side or the other, its a pretty safe bet that you just aren't informed on both sides of an issue). |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
That's right. 50% of people are left and 50% of the people are right. That means 50% of the people in the world support Chavez and the other 50% of the people in the world support Hitler.
The world is a much easier place to understand if you can just divide everyone down the middle on the right/left line.
It's most irritating to watch current US politics where parties change thinking on something, and everything is switched. Outsourcing for one. Republicans were once against it, then suddenly Bush said it was good, and Dems are against it, and Republicans then support it.
That left/right line, really defines who is beyond thinking beyond an issue or not. (If you fit perfectly on all issues on one side or the other, its a pretty safe bet that you just aren't informed on both sides of an issue). |
hmmmm...............interesting. Dude who's that chick in your avatar? |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| mcgeezer wrote: |
| hey sundubuman: you're a joke |
I know you are but what am I?
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Oh my god what the hell are you like? I used to use the same come back when I was eight years old. Thanks for me making laugh so much |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Ilsanman jibed:
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| HEY STEVE, WHY DON'T YOU START A THREAD ABOUT HOW SIESTAS ARE AN EXCUSE FOR LATIN AMERICANS TO BE LAZY? |
That's quite the quantum leap in logic there, man of Ilsan. You must be harboring some racist sentiments yourself, eh compadre?
But then who can take seriously a poster who signs off with what resembles those little heart candies middle schoolers give to their sweethearts on Valentine's Day?
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
Another masterpiece by Steve. Too bad he tried to ignore losing an argument and making an error. Heaven forbid anyone make an error.
HEY STEVE, WHY DON'T YOU START A THREAD ABOUT HOW SIESTAS ARE AN EXCUSE FOR LATIN AMERICANS TO BE LAZY? |
Ask him about human rights abuses in China |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I don't want to attach Hugo Chavez to most leftists, I have some respect for some progressives on the Left.
Chavez is a self-important fool. The man is killing Venezuela. I think that's a shame. But I'm glad America is ignoring him. |
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