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On the other hand
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In fairness to the Sudanese, this should be read into the record...
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AMSTERDAM � A magistrate in Amsterdam sentenced 47-year-old Regilio A. on Monday to a fine of EUR 400 for seriously insulting Queen Beatrix and a police officer. It is the first time in years that someone has been taken to court and penalised for insulting the monarch.
The man will also have to serve a seven-day prison sentence he was provisionally imposed earlier. The justice department wanted him to be sentenced to an additional two weeks in prison for his insulting comments. The maximum sentence for l�se majest� is five years in prison.
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And this coming from the country long held up as the standard of free-wheeling, anything-goes liberalism. I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard more about this case. If I were Dutch, I think I'd consider the enforcement of these laws to be a national embarrassment.
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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�She could have had six months and lashes and a fine, and she only got 15 days and deportation,� Boulos said. He noted that she would only spend 10 days in prison, having already served five.
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All things considered, and assuming that nothing really bad happened or will happen to her in prison, this pretty much amounts to a token sentence anyway. Sounds like Sudan was having a sort of "F*cking USA" lashing-out moment.
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It seems like an attempt to appease both sides. There's a lot of pressure on the Sudanese government by the Brits to let her go, and there's a lot of domestic pressure to throw her to the lions. So it seems to me they've punished her to appease the domestic hysteria, but they've given her a very mild sentence to try and appease the British government. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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In fairness to the Sudanese, this should be read into the record...
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AMSTERDAM � A magistrate in Amsterdam sentenced 47-year-old Regilio A. on Monday to a fine of EUR 400 for seriously insulting Queen Beatrix and a police officer. It is the first time in years that someone has been taken to court and penalised for insulting the monarch.
The man will also have to serve a seven-day prison sentence he was provisionally imposed earlier. The justice department wanted him to be sentenced to an additional two weeks in prison for his insulting comments. The maximum sentence for l�se majest� is five years in prison.
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And this coming from the country long held up as the standard of free-wheeling, anything-goes liberalism. I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard more about this case. If I were Dutch, I think I'd consider the enforcement of these laws to be a national embarrassment.
http://tinyurl.com/2fg974
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You've not heard much of it because the Dutch aren't the fashionable bogeymen de jour.
There's foul stuff going on all around the world, all the time. But when it involves muslims it is particularly sexy. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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In fairness to the Sudanese, this should be read into the record...
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AMSTERDAM � A magistrate in Amsterdam sentenced 47-year-old Regilio A. on Monday to a fine of EUR 400 for seriously insulting Queen Beatrix and a police officer. It is the first time in years that someone has been taken to court and penalised for insulting the monarch.
The man will also have to serve a seven-day prison sentence he was provisionally imposed earlier. The justice department wanted him to be sentenced to an additional two weeks in prison for his insulting comments. The maximum sentence for l�se majest� is five years in prison.
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And this coming from the country long held up as the standard of free-wheeling, anything-goes liberalism. I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard more about this case. If I were Dutch, I think I'd consider the enforcement of these laws to be a national embarrassment.
http://tinyurl.com/2fg974
http://tinyurl.com/2harjr |
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A. got into an argument with police officers on bicycle in Amsterdam on 7 June. He performed a Nazi salute, called a police officer a "rotten bastard," and called out "I hate your queen. The queen of the Netherlands is a *beep*."
He then spoke insultingly of the monarch using sexually explicit language and racist comments. |
Not sympathetic. Neither it is too comparable to the ESL Teacher, who clearly meant no offense.
The guy got a lese majeste sentence because the cops really wanted to take him down. I dunno, maybe it was the whole foreigner copping the Nazi salute in Amsterdam thing that set the cops off? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree, we can really make a valid comparison between The Netherlands (the West) and your typically backward Islamic cultures using just this one incident. Good one there OTOH, breathing new life into the tired old moral equivalency argument. |
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bucheon bum
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Not to write an entire nation off, but what about Sudan is redeemable whatsoever? Well besides the oil that the Chinese are buying up? Anything else?
What a cesspool of utter crap. |
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bigverne
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| But when it involves muslims it is particularly sexy |
That's because Muslims do particularly 'sexy' things like impose death sentences on authors, lash women for being gang raped, and assasinate film directors for daring to accuse their religion of being violent. All these incidents have nothing to do with Islam though, and everything to do with the West's need for a 'bogeyman', apparently. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| But when it involves muslims it is particularly sexy |
That's because Muslims do particularly 'sexy' things like impose death sentences on authors, lash women for being gang raped, and assasinate film directors for daring to accuse their religion of being violent. All these incidents have nothing to do with Islam though, and everything to do with the West's need for a 'bogeyman', apparently. |
This sexy stuff has been going on for ages, but we didn't report it. Not until recent years. There's plenty of equivalent gruesomeness going on (check out the rest of the African continent) that doesn't get reported. Just not sexy when it's a Christian or Animist African.
Kind of reminds me of the Euro cup in 2000. All the press wanted reports of English hooliganism, including the British press. A few incidents involving English fans (the chairs and the water cannons) were reported all over the world. And yet locals reported that the English had been relatively quiet. They complained it was other fans, among them Belgium and Turkish fans that had been wreaking havok. Photographers and camera men got film of lots of really violent stuff between Turkish and Belgium fans, but none of the media were interested in buying it! Because English hooliganism is super sexy, but when other nations are doing it: ZZZzzzzzzzzz
In a lot of ways the Dutch story is more interesting, but I hadn't heard of it until OTOH brought it up here. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
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Mohammed + Teddy Bear = Riot
Mohammed + Atta = No Riots
Have I got that right? |
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Kuros
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Mohammed + Teddy Bear = Riot
Mohammed + Atta = No Riots
Have I got that right? |
You forgot the 20th hijacker, Jesus 'Guatama' Moses. You know, the one with six arms and the elephant's nose? |
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blaseblasphemener
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I love how the secretary/teaching assistant at the school ratted her out to the authorities, instead of taking 5 minutes to explain to the teacher that naming the bear Mohammed is blasphemy.
Oh, uh, peace b 2 Al-uh. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
I love how the secretary/teaching assistant at the school ratted her out to the authorities, instead of taking 5 minutes to explain to the teacher that naming the bear Mohammed is blasphemy.
Oh, uh, peace b 2 Al-uh. |
She most probably did it out of sheer spitefulness. |
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Tony_Balony
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Sudan is uncool because Sudan = Nazi Germany. There is a genocide going on there, remember? |
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stevemcgarrett
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Under the banner of moral indignation, the Allah extremists who keep the Sudanese government propped up are insisting that she be dealt with harshly.
And the Sudanese government is trying to appease their shrinking base. It's all political drama for these ba-stards. |
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hogwonguy1979
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| I'm no fan of Christianity but i'll say this, at least in the Christian world if you make a joke about Jesus etc it wont get you killed |
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