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[Milwaukiedave]

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[Ya-ta Boy]

[Milwaukiedave]

Ya-Ta your "theory" is insane. I say that with a great deal of humor.

[Ya-ta Boy]

Insane? I'll give you a 'perhaps flawed', but I couldn't go with 'insane'. Nope. Hunh-uh. Exhibit One: When is the last time any old lady in Oregon made a butter sculpture of any candidate? If that isn't cool, I don't know what is.

[Czarjorge]

Oh, you literally meant of cooler temperature. That makes more sense.

As an Iowa boy I've got to say, for proper Midwest states (Ohio IS NOT the midwest as most coasters, and ohioans, seem to think. Get your heads out of your asses.) Iowa is second only to Illinois, and that's only because of Chicago. And having lived all over the midwest, I would say that Nebraska is by far the worst, though Kansas has recently become a close second.

[Tiger Beer]

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[Czarjorge]

Yep, Michigan is definitely a Great Lakes state. Or mid-east, a term I've been trying to popularize to my friend's chagrin. Too bad it already has such a connotation. Rust belt could work too, as parts of the south termed the Bible belt make the terminology viable. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan as rust belt.

Do Kentuckers think of Kentucky as the South?

The core midwest is Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, essentially the great plains states. I would also accept the addition of the Dakotas (though they could be termed as the Dakotas alone), Illinois (while Southern Illinois is clearly Midwest the northern parts seem much more Great Lakes), Indiana (though the same could be said of Indiana as Illinois), and Oklahoma (which could also be considered part of greater Texarkana). The inclusion of Ohio is ridiculous, and just demonstrates the geographical ignorance of coasters, and Ohioans.

[Ya-ta Boy]

Michigan is definitely Midwest. Why? Because that is where all the cold breakfast cereal comes from. Either Post or Kellogg's or both of them are in Battlecreek, Michigan. My mental image of Michigan is a farm state with very wet margins and some unlucky people crowded into Detroit to make Fords and Chevy pickup trucks for farmers to drive.

Czarjorge says Iowa is second to Illinois. This is blasphemy. He is obviously an infiltrator and is spreading disinformation. Don't believe him.

Ohio was part of the old Northwest Territory, so by default, it is part of the Midwest (I think this is where the term came from, really). Iowa and Minnesota got stuck on to the Midwest because they're prairie states, not Great Plains states.

The Great Plains begin at the 90th Meridian, which is Lincoln, Nebraska. Everything west of the Missouri River is The West, where the Cowboys and Indians were/are. You couldn't have the Wild West without Dodge City and Witchita, Kansas or Deadwood, South Dakota, could you? I went to school in Colorado and the Denver kids said they were Midwesterners, but clearly they had been misinformed. Just Midwestern wannabes. California was originally in The West, but it filled up with Dust Bowl Oklahoma refugees who turned into surfers, so California became a Pacific Coast state.

The question about Kentucky is a good one. What do Kentuckians consider themselves?

[Tiger Beer]

I do find Michigan confusing. Most 'coasters' plant Michigan right in the Midwest with visions of cornfields everywhere. People also confuse it with Minnesota or Mississippi and probably Missouri as well. Most people confuse all of them and by default just put them 'somewhere in the middle' and probably the same. If it's not NY or CA, it must be hicks or farmers or all small towns type of thing.

It does have its cornfields, particularly in the southen part of the state between Detroit and Chicago. As you drive north, it becomes mostly forest lands, and several very substantial national forests. I don't have any data, but I've heard references to it having one of the higher percentages of national forests percentage-wise nationally.

It's a confusing state. My image of it myself is more in-line with 'on the other hand'. Industrial. But everyone who has posted has hit on truth to the state. It's all of those things in reality. But unlike when I lived in Minnesota where I saw everything referenced to 'Midwest' in some ways, I never observed any self-referencing in Michigan in that same way. Thinking of business names, like 'Midwest Lumber' or something you might see in other states. Everything in Michigan is referenced to 'Great Lakes Lumber' or 'Great Lakes' whatever. Speaking of lumber again, there are a lot of lumber yards everywhere, particularly anything northward in the state. Southern part of Michigan I think of as industrial, but I can see where the cornfield or even cow image might exist too, as that is there as well.

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Regarding the Kentucky one. I always think of that as south. I think most people associate it with being southern. Kentucky Fried Chicken as a name probably doesn't help dispell that either.

[Milwaukiedave]

Bill defends lawsuit. Sure it wasn't brought on by Clinton, I believe that!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites Posted: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:56 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Clinton


From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli and NBC's Abby Livingston, Sarah Demarest, and Mark Murray
LAS VEGAS -- Bill Clinton today defended a state NEA-backed lawsuit over caucus sites, saying that all Democrats should play by the same rules.

Clinton was asked about the suit this morning by a student at Green Valley High School, located in the Las Vegas suburb of Henderson. He said that, in essence, state Democrats made "a special rule only for" members of the Culinary union, the most powerful in the state, to be able to caucus at their work sites rather than at their home precincts. "I think the rules oughta be the same for everybody," he said. "I question why you would ever have a temporary caucus site and say only the people that work there -- i.e. the people that we know are going to vote in a certain way or we think they will -- should be able to caucus here. I think that we oughta make it more possible for everybody to vote."

(Of course, we'll ask again: If the Culinary Workers had endorsed Hillary, would there even be a lawsuit? And if so, would Bill be defending it?)

When asked next about the Culinary Workers endorsing Obama over Hillary, Clinton claimed that the campaign's voter outreach found that many members actually support his wife. "It will be interesting if they will be able to do so because you have to vote in public [at the caucus]," he said. "I believe if the test is who's got the best voting record for labor the answer is she does."

Speaking later at an event in Las Vegas, Clinton again emphasized the downside of a caucus rather than a primary. He claimed that polling taken in Nevada since Hillary's victory in the New Hampshire primary showed her with a steady lead among state Democrats, but that caucuses "may not be about public support." He implored the audience to "give voice to the majority." "Don't let other people out organize you," he said.

Bill Clinton is on the second day of a trip to the Silver State, which he called "a special, unusual, wonderful place." Chelsea Clinton joined him for the event in Henderson this morning, and he actually invited students to ask her questions as well as him. No one asked Chelsea a question, but she did come in handy when one of the students standing behind Clinton on stage became faint during the event. Chelsea walked her off the stage, and then rejoined the students who remained as they then sat, rather than stood, behind the former president.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/14/578200.aspx

[Milwaukiedave]

Letters against the caucas lawsuit:

http://thepage.time.com/letter-from-nevada-teachers-opposing-caucus-lawsuit/

[Czarjorge]

So is the Mississip the border? And if so, wouldn't it be the barrier between East and West? And Ohio would be on what side? That's right, the East. How is an Eastern state part of the Midwest?

And Ya-ta is Iowa the west as well, if only because John Wayne is from Iowa?

As far as Michigan goes, a little farmland doesn't make you the midwest. They grow corn in New Mexico, is it a midwest state? When I think of crops from Michigan they tend to be orchard crops. Did you know most of the cherries consumed in the States are from Michigan?

Back to politics, McCain is going Kong on Romney. I've not read that McCain has come out and stated he "hates" Romney, but the pundys on all the morning shows have been beating that drum for three days now.

In Nevada, what the hell is up with the Clintons? This lady is really starting to piss me off, and having Billy do all the hatchet work isn't taking the ire off her. The Clintons supported caucusing in the casinos, then starting throwing a fit over it once the casino workers came out for Obama. WTF? This is Republican type chicanery a la AA voter disenfranchisement in the south. I may not agree with Clinton, but I would have voted for her. Now I'm not so sure. Politics or not, keeping working people from having their say in politics is elitist crap.

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