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Kuros
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| If I were a parent of a kid in Toronto this would be the best news in years. Sad, but true. |
How could this be a good development for anybody?
It seems the Canadians are parallelling the current American madness regarding Meredith v Jefferson County Schools.
SCOTUS obliterated voluntary desegregation programs in this opinion on the theory that schools should be 'color-blind.' It seems like Toronto has gone to an even darker place, affirmatively pushing towards segregation, for an even more ridiculous reason.
Sad. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| On a macro level this is bad, from a parental level it is good. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| On a macro level this is bad, from a parental level it is good. |
I still don't understand. You're going to have to flesh this one out for me. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The schools are going to remove "bad" students and put them in a school together. The other schools will be more safe due to this. Toronto has been very violent lately. All these "New Canadians" shooting up the streets. Just last week, two bystanders were shot (one killed). The problem in the schools, PC or not, is a black problem. And more specifically, a Jamaican problem. Remove the Jamaicans from the schools and put them together and the other schools become more safe. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The schools are going to remove "bad" students and put them in a school together. The other schools will be more safe due to this. Toronto has been very violent lately. All these "New Canadians" shooting up the streets. Just last week, two bystanders were shot (one killed). The problem in the schools, PC or not, is a black problem. And more specifically, a Jamaican problem. Remove the Jamaicans from the schools and put them together and the other schools become more safe. |
And the new 'Jamaican schools' become slum-schools. Those slum-schools breed criminals, because the best teachers can't be convinced to teach there, and the capable few teachers who do are undermined by negative peer pressure from the Jamaicans.
We've seen this process before, in dozens of urban cities in America. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| It would make more sense to have sex-segregated schools. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| The schools are going to remove "bad" students and put them in a school together. The other schools will be more safe due to this. Toronto has been very violent lately. All these "New Canadians" shooting up the streets. Just last week, two bystanders were shot (one killed). The problem in the schools, PC or not, is a black problem. And more specifically, a Jamaican problem. Remove the Jamaicans from the schools and put them together and the other schools become more safe. |
And the new 'Jamaican schools' become slum-schools. Those slum-schools breed criminals, because the best teachers can't be convinced to teach there, and the capable few teachers who do are undermined by negative peer pressure from the Jamaicans.
We've seen this process before, in dozens of urban cities in America. |
Yes, Kuros. But please remember, America segregated out of hate, Toronto will segregate out of love. The hippies have good intentions. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| The schools are going to remove "bad" students and put them in a school together. The other schools will be more safe due to this. Toronto has been very violent lately. All these "New Canadians" shooting up the streets. Just last week, two bystanders were shot (one killed). The problem in the schools, PC or not, is a black problem. And more specifically, a Jamaican problem. Remove the Jamaicans from the schools and put them together and the other schools become more safe. |
And the new 'Jamaican schools' become slum-schools. Those slum-schools breed criminals, because the best teachers can't be convinced to teach there, and the capable few teachers who do are undermined by negative peer pressure from the Jamaicans.
We've seen this process before, in dozens of urban cities in America. |
Yes, Kuros. But please remember, America segregated out of hate, Toronto will segregate out of love. The hippies have good intentions. |
America is ending voluntary de-segregation as we speak. This court order comes not out of hate, but out of the theory of color-blindness. So, we're on the same 'good intentions' track as Toronto. IOW, the Supreme Court recognized that the goal was integration, but found that assigning children schools on the basis of race, for whatever purpose, is not the means to the end.
The color-blindness theory is something I would support, but empirical evidence suggests that busing children to schools in voluntary programs makes for better schools. And remarkably, its not because segregated schools receive more or less money (as in, white schools are more wealthy because of the tax base). Its because integration has a beneficial cultural effect on whites, blacks, hispanics, and Asians alike.
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| The schools are going to remove "bad" students and put them in a school together. The other schools will be more safe due to this. Toronto has been very violent lately. All these "New Canadians" shooting up the streets. Just last week, two bystanders were shot (one killed). The problem in the schools, PC or not, is a black problem. And more specifically, a Jamaican problem. Remove the Jamaicans from the schools and put them together and the other schools become more safe. |
And the new 'Jamaican schools' become slum-schools. Those slum-schools breed criminals, because the best teachers can't be convinced to teach there, and the capable few teachers who do are undermined by negative peer pressure from the Jamaicans.
We've seen this process before, in dozens of urban cities in America. |
Yes, Kuros. But please remember, America segregated out of hate, Toronto will segregate out of love. The hippies have good intentions. |
America is ending voluntary segregation as we speak. This court order comes not out of hate, but out of the theory of color-blindness. So, we're on the same 'good intentions' track as Toronto. IOW, the Supreme Court recognized that the goal was integration, but found that assigning children schools on the basis of race, for whatever purpose, is not the means to the end.
The color-blindness theory is something I would support, but empirical evidence suggests that busing children to schools in voluntary programs makes for better schools. And remarkably, its not because segregated schools receive more or less money (as in, white schools are more wealthy because of the tax base). Its because integration has a beneficial cultural effect on whites, blacks, hispanics, and Asians alike. |
They can't integrate private schools. Don't you know, that's what well-off white parents did in the south following forced desegregation. I guarantee it's a factor in white parents in Ontario sending their kids to private schools. If I had the money and lived there, I sure as hell wouldn't let my kids go to a school full of Jamaicans. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| The schools are going to remove "bad" students and put them in a school together. The other schools will be more safe due to this. Toronto has been very violent lately. All these "New Canadians" shooting up the streets. Just last week, two bystanders were shot (one killed). The problem in the schools, PC or not, is a black problem. And more specifically, a Jamaican problem. Remove the Jamaicans from the schools and put them together and the other schools become more safe. |
And the new 'Jamaican schools' become slum-schools. Those slum-schools breed criminals, because the best teachers can't be convinced to teach there, and the capable few teachers who do are undermined by negative peer pressure from the Jamaicans.
We've seen this process before, in dozens of urban cities in America. |
Yes, Kuros. But please remember, America segregated out of hate, Toronto will segregate out of love. The hippies have good intentions. |
America is ending voluntary de-segregation as we speak. This court order comes not out of hate, but out of the theory of color-blindness. So, we're on the same 'good intentions' track as Toronto. IOW, the Supreme Court recognized that the goal was integration, but found that assigning children schools on the basis of race, for whatever purpose, is not the means to the end.
The color-blindness theory is something I would support, but empirical evidence suggests that busing children to schools in voluntary programs makes for better schools. And remarkably, its not because segregated schools receive more or less money (as in, white schools are more wealthy because of the tax base). Its because integration has a beneficial cultural effect on whites, blacks, hispanics, and Asians alike. |
I 100% agree with you. We are totally on the same page. If we are going to live together we ought to learn/study together. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Black leaders to come out against proposed Afrocentric school
Posted: January 28, 2008, 11:59 PM by Barry Hertz
City
A coalition of black leaders will come out against Toronto�s proposed Afrocentric public school when school trustees meet tonight to vote on the scheme. Pastor Audley James, the driving force behind the coalition, said the Afrocentric school idea is �designed to marginalize our children.�
In an interview, Mr. James, who ministers at North York�s Revivaltime Tabernacle, said not enough work has been done to reach out to church leaders, who have significant influence in the black community, or to seek the input of black teachers.
Afrocentric school proponents have said repeatedly that black students who feel misunderstood in the public system urgently need such a school to help them succeed.
According to the Toronto District School Board (TDSB), about 40% of black students do not graduate from high school. But Mr. James contends the proposal is �immature.�
�I don�t think parents in general are fully cognizant of all the implications,� he said, adding he is worried about the risks of �isolating� black youth within a school that he believes will surely be underfunded.
The group is represented by prominent lawyer Courtney Betty, who is on a list of people slated to make deputations to the trustees tonight.
�Truly, I understand the frustration of the community in trying to see something happen after waiting for 25 years,� Mr. Betty said yesterday. �But if we take the approach that is being suggested, the community is selling itself short.�
Furthermore, he said, the TDSB would be setting the school up for failure if it approved the proposal, because he has yet to see how the already cash-strapped board will be able to properly fund the initiative.
Mr. James pointed to the experience of a �dilapidated� school set up for aboriginal students that, according to the schools safety report released this month, suspends a third of its students and last year could not meet provincial standards in Grade 3 for reading, writing or arithmetic.
�I do not think that this is what is wanted for the black community,� Mr. James said.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well, they are doing it. Separating schools based upon an arbitrary social construct. I'm sure this will go a long way to building a lovely united Canada.
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Toronto trustees narrowly approve black school
TORONTO � In a tight vote, Toronto District School Board trustees Tuesday night approved a contentious proposal for a black-focused school that opponents argued would be the equivalent of segregation.
The 11-9 vote in favour came after an evening of impassioned pleas both for and against the school from community members, including one from the mother of slain 15-year-old Jordan Manners. |
http://www.theglobeandmail.com
So, we now have state funded Catholic schools, muslim schools, Jewish schools, French schools, Native schools and as of today, Black schools. Multiculturalism moving forward! |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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As long as they are teaching properly (i.e. science and not magic, lookinga t you Catholics) and it helps all the kids not get pregnant or gold teeth I'm for it. |
You ignorant tw@t... Catholic schools teach evolution, that the world was NOT made in 7 days, and all that other crap. Catholics do not take the Old Testament literally.
Don't let your bitterness over misunderstood views on your sexual orientation let you spread lies. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| I attended catholic schools for many years. We were never taught creationism. We were taught a whole bunch of other weird stuff, though. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| I attended catholic schools for many years. We were never taught creationism. We were taught a whole bunch of other weird stuff, though. |
Ah! That explains so much... |
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