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Pluto
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Gopher
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| Kuros wrote: |
| ...back in the day when Hubbard was associating with the Soviets. |
I did not know this. I read one Scientology book cover to cover and tried several times to read Dianetics. I could never get beyond the first fifty or so pages. Chick Corea is a Scientologist. I wanted to give it a chance.
In any case, I distinctly recall Hubbard's denouncing psychiatry as a Soviet operation designed to control people -- and a lie. He claimed he had conclusive evidence locked in safes. I kid you not; I am citing him verbatim.
Other claims in the little I have read: any conflict between two people necessarily derives from a third person, a manipulator in the background. The key to resolving such disputes then lies not in the two people but in identifying and flushing out the third person, the instigator.
Anyone who criticizes Scientology is not only an SP but a criminal. Scientology will therefore "investigate" all critics and expose their criminality -- therefore, in their minds, decisively dealing with said criticism.
Also, Hubbard claims that his years on Hawaii or the Philippines or some other South-Pacific island or islands revealed to him his first major discovery: that all life shares this least-common denominator: survive! Thus, Hubbard seems to claim to have discovered what Darwin discovered a century ago...
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Ya-ta Boy
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Is the rumor that L. Ron was never buried true? Years ago I heard his corpse was being kept on a boat in LA or somewhere.
Second question: How common is the fantasy of starting your own religion? Is that something that just occured to those of us around when Manson, the Hari Krishnas, the Moonies, the TMs and the rest were sprouting up everywhere? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| ...back in the day when Hubbard was associating with the Soviets. |
I did not know this |
From Bare-Faced Messiah...
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The court accepted the documents as proof that Hubbard was still alive and dismissed DeWolf's suit, but in his determination to blacken Hubbard's name, Nibs had clearly inherited something of his father's perseverance. He surfaced again in the June 1983 issue of Penthouse magazine, making even more sensational allegations - that Hubbard had been involved in black magic since the age of sixteen, believed himself to be Satan, wanted to become the most powerful being in the universe, smuggled gold and drugs, was a sadist and a KGB agent. He had bought Saint Hill Manor, Nibs claimed, with money obtained from the Russians. 'Black magic is the inner core of Scientology,' Nibs
stressed, 'and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan.'
It was wild stuff, perhaps a little too wild. Just like his father, Nibs lacked subtlety. Had he been more restrained, the interview might have made an impact. Instead, it simply strained the reader's credulity to such an extent that it was hard to decide who was the most deranged - L. Ron Hubbard Senior or L. Ron Hubbard Junior.
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Miller doesn't provide actual evidence that Nibs was lying, though nothing in his very hostile biography would indicate that Nibs was telling the truth. |
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On the other hand
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Is the rumor that L. Ron was never buried true? Years ago I heard his corpse was being kept on a boat in LA or somewhere.
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Again, from Miller, page 374...
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| the ashes of L. Ron Hubbard were scattered on the Pacific from a small boat. |
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| Second question: How common is the fantasy of starting your own religion? Is that something that just occured to those of us around when Manson, the Hari Krishnas, the Moonies, the TMs and the rest were sprouting up everywhere? |
Well, people have been creating their own religions for some time now. All the way back to the first guy who posited a god or gods as the explanation for some phenomenon. |
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thepeel
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thepeel
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Pluto
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I heard the weirdest thing today. I heard that Suri Cruise was actually Ron Hubbard's daughter. There's supposed to be a sperm bank somewhere with all of Ron's juice that was used to artificially inseminate Katie Holmes.
Granted this is all hearsay, but I was just wondering if anyone else had heard the same thing. I could almost believe a creepy cult performing such a creepy stunt such as this. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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In the closet and in a cult. Dude must be torn up inside. |
Its like a cult with mob aspects. Its pretty disgusting. |
ALL religions are cults, some are just bigger than others. A lot of stupid weak people who are followers. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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That sounds like it is probably a wild rumor, Pluto. Hard to believe.
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| A lot of stupid weak people who are followers. |
That would be an unmistakably trollish remark. Personally, I am unalterably agnostic. But I also believe that many millions of good and intelligent people follow any number of religions -- and not out of weakness, at least not in all cases. And I am really struggling not to bite my tongue: but this includes at least some Scientologists as well. Chick Corea, for example. |
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4 months left
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
That sounds like it is probably a wild rumor, Pluto. Hard to believe.
| 4 months left wrote: |
| A lot of stupid weak people who are followers. |
That would be an unmistakably trollish remark. Personally, I am unalterably agnostic. But I also believe that many millions of good and intelligent people follow any number of religions -- and not out of weakness, at least not in all cases. And I am really struggling not to bite my tongue: but this includes at least some Scientologists as well. Chick Corea, for example. |
Agnostic myself as well. In my opinion religion is not necessary. Whenever someone asks why don't I pray when I have a problem? I say I think about and work it out myself. To me, praying to a god to help you is stupid or weak. If you don't agree, that is your right.
Sure many people are good who have religion but a good many are not. I don't believe that if I lead a good life and have serious doubts there is a god, I am not allowed into "heaven." But someone who is religious and does a bad things is automatically accepted into "heaven." That is just stupid. |
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