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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| The party would melt down come convention time if that happened. Airport bathrooms and rest stops in Minneapolis would be clogged with conservatives seeking comfort from anyone because of those prospects. |
Nice Craig reference there. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
*clears his throat doing his best IGTG imitation*
It was fraud, it was fraud! |
EARTH TO DAVE !!!
Electronic "voting" IS fraud ... you ignoramus. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
*clears his throat doing his best IGTG imitation*
It was fraud, it was fraud! |
EARTH TO DAVE !!!
Electronic "voting" IS fraud ... you ignoramus. |
So now you are claiming fraud. Wow what a surpise! Can you be a little less predictable? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| 19%? Isn't that a record for Ron Paul? |
That's right. As time goes on, it just keeps getting better and better. |
Yeah, he may even perform as well as Ross Perot. |
One thing I never understood is that at the point when Perot quit the race (the first time; he rejoined but no longer had credibility), there was essentially a three-way tie in the polling - all three had percentages in the 30's. I still wonder to this day what would have happened if he'd stayed in. What if no one got a majority in the Electoral College?
What's your take on why Perot quit at that point? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| 19%? Isn't that a record for Ron Paul? |
That's right. As time goes on, it just keeps getting better and better. |
Yeah, he may even perform as well as Ross Perot. |
One thing I never understood is that at the point when Perot quit the race (the first time; he rejoined but no longer had credibility), there was essentially a three-way tie in the polling - all three had percentages in the 30's. I still wonder to this day what would have happened if he'd stayed in. What if no one got a majority in the Electoral College?
What's your take on why Perot quit at that point? |
I think if no one gets a majority then congress votes for the winner. I seem to recall Perot quitting claiming people were trying to kill him. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| 19%? Isn't that a record for Ron Paul? |
That's right. As time goes on, it just keeps getting better and better. |
Yeah, he may even perform as well as Ross Perot. |
One thing I never understood is that at the point when Perot quit the race (the first time; he rejoined but no longer had credibility), there was essentially a three-way tie in the polling - all three had percentages in the 30's. I still wonder to this day what would have happened if he'd stayed in. What if no one got a majority in the Electoral College?
What's your take on why Perot quit at that point? |
I don't know. I was 11 at the time.
But you realize it may have helped him in the end. Bush and Clinton ceased attacking him for a few weeks and he was able to save money for when he re-emerged. When you're a rich eccentric running as a third-party candidate, there really are no rules. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| One thing I never understood is that at the point when Perot quit the race (the first time; he rejoined but no longer had credibility), there was essentially a three-way tie in the polling - all three had percentages in the 30's. I still wonder to this day what would have happened if he'd stayed in. What if no one got a majority in the Electoral College? |
Wikipedia to the rescue:
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If no candidate for President receives a majority (270 votes) of the 538 possible electoral votes, the House of Representatives is required to go into session immediately to vote for President (pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment). In this case, the House of Representatives chooses from the three candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each state delegation has a single vote, decided by majority decision (an evenly divided state delegation is considered to have abstained). A candidate receiving the majority of votes of all states (currently 26) is declared the President-elect. If no candidate receives a majority, the House proceeds to a second ballot and continues balloting until a candidate receives a majority of the state unit votes. This situation would most likely occur only when more than two candidates receive electoral votes, but could theoretically happen in a two-person contest if each received 269 electoral votes.
To date, the House of Representatives has chosen the President on only two occasions: in 1801 and in 1825. |
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| What's your take on why Perot quit at that point? |
I think it was something about a Republican plot to kidnap his daughter. The man is authentically nuts; it's a testament to how hated Bush 41 and Clinton were that he got 20% of the vote. Perot would've been among the worst Presidents in history if he'd been able to actually get anything done -- which he wouldn't have, which ironically might have made him among the best Presidents in history. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Looks like Ron Paul beat McCain in Maine. Second place there.
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/02/ron-paul-beats.html
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Ron Paul Beats McCain in Maine Caucus, Primed to Win Over 1/3 of State Delegates
In the race for delegates, Ron Paul appears to closely trail Romney for first place
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 4, 2008
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA � While most reports about this past weekend�s Maine Caucus focused on the purely symbolic presidential preference poll, in the meaningful race to secure delegates to the state convention Ron Paul is primed to finish second with likely 35 percent of the total delegates.
Delegates to the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis are elected by the state delegates. Internal results from 10 of 16 counties, including the largest cities of Portland, South Portland, Lewiston, Auburn, Augusta, Waterville, Bangor, and Brewer, show Ron Paul picking up 215 of 608 State Convention delegates so far reported, or 35%.
�Ron Paul�s strong second place finish in Maine, in which he beat John McCain, is proof that this race is far from over,� said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. �We�ll continue to battle for every delegate in this wide-open race for the Republican nomination.�
In the presidential preference poll, with 70 percent reporting, Ron Paul is in third place just two percentage points behind John McCain. However, the Maine preference poll is purely a beauty contest, and in the actual election of state delegates the so-called �frontrunner� McCain is far behind Ron Paul. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
*clears his throat doing his best IGTG imitation*
It was fraud, it was fraud! |
EARTH TO DAVE !!!
Electronic "voting" IS fraud ... you ignoramus. |
So now you are claiming fraud. Wow what a surpise! Can you be a little less predictable? |
Nice try.
My position is nothing new.
As long as electronic "voting" is in place, the legitimacy to the ENTIRE process will remain at ZERO.
The ReVOLution will NOT be televised. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Thanks for the OP, IGTG. If Maine represented Ron Paul's "best shot at winning a state," perhaps the time has come to consider throwing in the towel.
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| Looks like Ron Paul beat McCain in Maine. Second place there. |
Interesting way to spin the fact that Ron Paul won no delegates in Maine's primary and that John McCain remains the leading Republican candidate despite Mitt Romney's victory there. And my numbers show the following, incidentally: Romney 52%; McCain 21%; Paul 19%; and Huckabee 6%.
Ron Paul's supporters' wish-dreams die hard, apparently.
CNN Reports |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| 19%? Isn't that a record for Ron Paul? |
Yes, and note that these numbers are actually just a presidential preference survey (a lot of people seem to be confusing this with a primary) and have nothing to do with the number of delegates:
http://www.mainegop.com/FlexPage.aspx?area=caucus2008results
In terms of delegates won so far, Ron Paul seems to have about 35%. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ...a lot of people seem to be confusing this with a primary. |
Call it what you like. Frame it. Dress it up in a bow. But Ron Paul will remain a non-entity -- that is, outside of the internet -- no matter how you spin it, Mithridates. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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of course ron paul supporter's dreams die hard. they believe their country can still be pulled from the fire. every other candidate offers up simply four more years of whatever bush was doing. there is only one peace candidate out there. is peace worth fighting for?
he was derided when he was polliing in single digits.
he was derided when he out polled party fav. giuliani.
he was derided when he polled double digits.
he is now derided as he pulls 20%+.
he's an old vet who knows he doesn't have a shot but he knows his candidacy can inject "the national discussion" with several topics that need to be re/thought. and good on him for caring enough to do so. thompson and giuliani combined didn't match the spunk of the ol boy. that a true patriot (is that word still PC?) had to stand aside as the ilks of giuliani and thompson garnered accolades is a shame.
the english ended up cutting the head off of one of their greatest men ever- sir walter raleigh. overhead after his "haircut" was the words "we don't have many heads like his left to lose".
hilary clinton is going to be the next president. the old president's wife. let us all sit and watch FOX as the US fully degenerates into a banana republic complete with hereditary leadrship and judges deciding elections.
they fight for ron paul because they perceive his as the only alternative to business as usual. and rightly so. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Supporters of 3 candidates have set up tables this week on my university's main drag. They are:
Ron Paul
Hillary
Obama
Hillary's supporters are rather meager. Haven't seen more than 3 at a time at the table, and they're always female. They have one sign up and aren't handing out anything. Obama's table is very active, handing out all kinds of stuf, and his posters are everywhere on campus. Ron Paul supporters are fewer in number but as active as Obama's. I have to admire their dedication.
Anyway, my university doesn't reflect the general populace whatsoever (I'm the only McCain supporter I know on campus), but interesting to see RP's pull on young people. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, IGTG!
You were all excited a week ago over Paul's soon-to-be victory in Maine.
All the while, you knew what voting machines they were using there.
Why did you get your hopes up then?
What if Paul won, would the election still be fraudulent?
Keep on trolling! |
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