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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Why don't you guys just whip them out. To be honest, you are probably all wrong. No one is going to admit that what they have been studying for most of their life is inferior to something else. Just human nature. You'll justify anything to yourselves. I have no idea which one would be better, it would depend on a lot of things too. Everyone does things for their own reasons, most aren't really doing it to kick the crap out of people in a ring, so does it matter? |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| For what it's worth, I've trained longer in TKD than any other art and I already explained its weaknesses as a fighting style in this thread. Though maybe that doesn't count, because I view it as an excellent sport and don't consider the time wasted in the least. |
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sargx

Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ. |
I'm sorry but this is BS. |
I was there. They were roughly the same size. They went by judo rules since the BJJ club initialized the challenge. This was between the Judo club and the BJJ club at my old university. I wasn't claiming that judo is a superior form of martial art. Just that the green belt was better and won. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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"Cheapshots, ambushes, and other lessons" by Marc "Animal" MacYoung says a lot about what goes down and is a useful book about the street. Even the winners get hurt. This is a fact. Human teeth on knuckles is worse than a dog bite.
Practise 1000 of each hand technique or whatever(used to take me 6 hours and it hurt) while standing in front of a mirror and you will develop muscle memory and reflexes within a couple of weeks. Practising a hundred of each of one's kicks per day(standing and back stance over a plastic Korean stool) and you'll be surprised how quickly your body will adapt even after two weeks(The "wax-on wax-off method). Even if your flexibility is average, an attack on someones kneecaps can do permanent harm.
Diving over leg attacks can surprise the kicker throwning in a couple of boots of your own and a couple of biffs for good measure(was part of radical Kung fu training with a bunch of masochists/sadists). I think the Korean way for martial arts is great in that they minimise chances of you getting hurt in class. Knowing how to fall can save your brains(if you've been stunned/hit head on the pavement after being thrown you'd know). This beats having to punch someone.
TKD has some really good roundhouse kick counter combos(check-out the Turkish K1 guy's vids on Youtube) so it shouldn't be written off. Technique with demon speed throws off people's timing so that's a plus too.
Boxing is great too in order to get used to closing the distance/in-fight. Slipping punches and learning about the almighty straight line.
I think any physical culture is great for health and shortens the distance/response needed to check an assault. It's all good.
The most unimpressive techniques like a thrust punch is useful if used properly and unexpectantedly. Benny "the Jet" had a fav. back kick which helped to his five-times world champ status in days gone by.
I really think everything is down to attitude and a respect for what one learns. Respecting what one knows over a novice means peace of mind. It's wonderful to have the opportunity to learn arts in it's homecountry.
If a person has a need to prove something than fronting up to a kick boxing/boxing gym for sparring practise works a treat. |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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-nothing like a 2x4 over the back of someone's head. cheap, effective, common, and legal. well the 2x4 is legal, not the doing it over somebody's head.
-seriously though, this thread is divided between the people who are saying any martial art is good, as well as the physical conditioning and so on. On the other hand we have the people running around saying MMA or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu always wins hands down because...now based on my experiences, I think we can safely say a strong, fast, big guy will destory a weak,slow,short, out of shape guy EVERY time. And I'm much more afraid of anyone who is taking the first position over the second. Yeah, you might know a really cool judo throw. It won't work in every case, maybe A guy uses a wierd stance, or he's shorter than you and a lot heavier, or maybe he knows a way to reverse, or even take you to the floor with him. In a nut shell, people who go around fighting usually end up the same way, knifed.
-As an asthmatic I never bothered with martial arts, if a real situation came up, I'm done. If I lose my glasses in a fight, I get vertigo and fall over. I joked growing up my defense was sneezing on you. |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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A street fighter with heart and guts will win most of the time over most MA's.
One has to have some big kahunas. In K-1 or any fight.....knowing MA's does not matter...oh..it helps....but most fights end up on the ground and that's where have street fighting skills wins. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| ublove wrote: |
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| I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ. |
I'm sorry but this is BS.
And to the poster who says hapkido is a gigantic joke: It's obvious to me that you've never gone toe-to-toe with a hapkido master (at least 5th dan, 7-8 years of training). |
ever seen a 7-8 year experienced Kickboxer go toe to toe with a Hapkidomaster..
I went against a person with kickboxing and hapkido (2 years) experience.. I broke his nose then proceeded to crack his ribs. |
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ublove

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| You can't compare someone with 2 years experience to a master. I'm more of a grappler myself but in a street fight I'd rather take on a professional kickboxer than a hapkido master. |
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Temporary
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| You can't compare someone with 2 years experience to a master. I'm more of a grappler myself but in a street fight I'd rather take on a professional kickboxer than a hapkido master. |
Uhm I only have 2 years experience in Kickboxing and a bit in mma...
How is this unfair? So what your saying that its alright for a hapkido master to go against some one with little or no experience but its not a alright thing to go against some one that has the same amount of time in their respective sport?
I call BS... Sorry dood but frankly I've seen what a "hapkido" master can do, and what a kickboxer can do and frankly I rather not go up against a skilled striker. Plus in a street fight how many times have you seen wrestling or grapling moves? Street fights come down to strikes and weapons 99% of the time..
I think your blowing hot air. |
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ublove

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| I think these "x martial art vs. x martial art" arguments are stupid; better left to tap-out-wearing ufc badass wannabees. You said hapkido is a "gigantic joke". I think that comment is ignorant and wrong. It's obvious to me that you've never been exposed to a true hapkido master (5th+ dan). |
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Temporary
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Opinions are just like a$$h0les everyone has one.
I based my on my actual life experiences and what I have seen in actual fights and as well as in my own. I fought many types of martial artists and I respect BJJ and Kickboxing/Muay Thai the most. Like most people I am not an armchair fighter, I actually step into the rink, I am not stupid enough to do it any more on the streets. Back home their is a reason why I wore steel boots everywhere
I will leave it at that their is no point in arguing some thing like this... Because.
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| I'd like to know how this judo guy beat the BJJ guys. |
BJJ is absolutely devestating. |
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Khenan

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| sargx wrote: |
| ublove wrote: |
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| I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ. |
I'm sorry but this is BS. |
I was there. They were roughly the same size. They went by judo rules since the BJJ club initialized the challenge. This was between the Judo club and the BJJ club at my old university. I wasn't claiming that judo is a superior form of martial art. Just that the green belt was better and won. |
For that matter, different masters will grant degrees at different rates.... although the difference you describe is pretty intense  |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| sargx wrote: |
| ublove wrote: |
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| I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ. |
I'm sorry but this is BS. |
I was there. They were roughly the same size. They went by judo rules since the BJJ club initialized the challenge. This was between the Judo club and the BJJ club at my old university. I wasn't claiming that judo is a superior form of martial art. Just that the green belt was better and won. |
No, what you've said is BS.
There are hardly even any third degree BJJ black belts in the world. A third degree black is something you get with 15-20 adult years of competitive experience on the world class level. You are never usually awarded even a purple belt in BJJ without competitive experience. You did not witness a third degree black belt in BJJ get beaten by a judo green belt. Why a third degree black would even be at a 'university club' is beyond me. Do you know that there isn't even a single third degree black belt in all of China, Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand?
A green belt in judo is achievable in a few months. |
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Vagrantlest
Joined: 03 May 2008
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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From what I was told by a friend of my that ran a Taekwondo place, is that Taekwondo is a sporting martial art. Its not meant for use in real combat. The purpose of it is sport.
I've heard that if you want to really hurt people, you should learn Hapkido. |
This is exactly right. I studied TKD for a while when i was younger and though its better than nothing its really not much in a fist fight. On the otherhand its great for keeping in shape, mental discipline and an interesting sport. A great part of Korean culture but its not gonna make you a badass in a match. |
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