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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I have lost my enthusiasm for this election... |
That makes two of us. Election-year fatigue. Tired of allegations, debates, speeches, polls, and cablenews network anchormen and experts talking endlessly about the world-according-to-them.
In any case, if Milwaukiedave is any indication, we do not need worry about the supposed Republican civil war over McCain inasmuch as the Democratic civil war over the Clinton-or-Obama question... |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Of course they say he's not patriotic - they're afraid of him.
And the biggest hypocracy is that many didn't even serve in the military. That's not necessarily a proof of patiotism. But it''ll do until another one comes. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I have lost my enthusiasm for this election... |
That makes two of us. Election-year fatigue. Tired of debates, speeches, polls, and cablenews network anchormen and experts talking endlessly about the world-according-to-them.
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That's my number 1 issue.
And before my stalker leaps to any conclusions, its not really because I think the media loves Obama (or McCain). Its just the complete superficiality of the media on this. The network crew of journalist-election-pundits is the most ignorant pack of 'experts' one could ever hope to find in a profession.
But, part of it is also my fault for making this a sorta hobby. Oh, well. Come the Fall I'll embrace whoever the Democratic nominee is. And if McCain wins the general, I can't say I'll be genuinely disappointed, either. Huckabee, Giuliani, and Edwards are gone. So America is safe. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Come the Fall I'll embrace whoever the Democratic nominee is. And if McCain wins the general, I can't say I'll be genuinely disappointed, either. Huckabee, Giuliani, and Edwards are gone. So America is safe. |
I think we stand just over the political fence from one another, Kuros. Add our Texas Libertarian to that list, by the way. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don�t think Obama isn�t patriotic, however I wouldn�t be surprised if he wasn�t playing for the left wing of the democratic party with his actions, much like the way George Bush visited Bob Jones university to play up to the right wing of the Republican party in 2000.
In case you all didn't figure it out Obama is a politician.
Yes America would be a better place both those who were impressed by George Bush going to Bob Jones university and those who were impressed by Obama not putting his hand on his heart for the National Anthem were not around any more. |
I definitely agree with you that Americans of this caliber seem to believe that they can tell certain lies or distort the truth for what they believe is some greater truth. They seem to want to do anything to get a republican elected. I hope the new, upcoming generation of GOP members will be less beholden to these types..... The GOP needs more of a secular bent to themselves to become a mainstream conservative party... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| I definitely agree with you that Americans of this caliber seem to believe that they can tell certain lies or distort the truth for what they believe is some greater truth. They seem to want to do anything to get a republican elected. I hope the new, upcoming generation of GOP members will be less beholden to these types..... The GOP needs more of a secular bent to themselves to become a mainstream conservative party... |
Unfortunate but hardly surprising that you can only see this happening on the Republican side. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I too am surprised that anyone is listening to what conservatives have to say. Hasn't listening to the far right talking heads lost its lustre? Isn't the country screwed up enough that it doesn't take those bastards to get a good mad on? I'm all for righteous indignation, but there must be a limit. |
As long as they don't go near global warming or evolution, they're all right. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| I definitely agree with you that Americans of this caliber seem to believe that they can tell certain lies or distort the truth for what they believe is some greater truth. They seem to want to do anything to get a republican elected. I hope the new, upcoming generation of GOP members will be less beholden to these types..... The GOP needs more of a secular bent to themselves to become a mainstream conservative party... |
Unfortunate but hardly surprising that you can only see this happening on the Republican side. |
Oh, I don't trust Hillary Clinton. She's a democrat. My issue is mainly with the GOP letting right wing nationalists and the Christian right having too much sway in the party. They need more mainstream elements. I am alarmed at how one side likes to wave the flag a lot. The thread has do with one side using nationalism as a political weapon. It somehow unsettles me. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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the US has no Christian Democrat party. European politics does, and it is very powerful in many areas. The problem is hard-line right-wingers have combined the politics of the far right as a stamp of belief in Jesus.
-for example if you're pro-life and anti-war who would you vote for this election? nobody. Entire segments of the country are forced into inaction. I never understood this love of God and Country. After all look how often it says "You can not serve both God and man. No man can have two masters." It is impossible to believe that every action of the paelo-Republican party has been motivated by christian values, or even MORAL, yet many evangelicals are slavish in their devotion to the Republican party. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| On 'Real Time with Bill Maher' this week Bill made an excellent point. The right seems to think that if you don't agree that 'America is the greatest country' rather than 'American is the greatest country for Americans' you are unpatriotic. After reading about Denmark I wouldn't mind being Danish, and in a lot of ways there are a number of countries better than America. Are we number one in all the statistical measurements of a society? Nope. The insane idea that questioning the perfection of the US invalidates your citizenship is... well, insane. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I too am surprised that anyone is listening to what conservatives have to say. Hasn't listening to the far right talking heads lost its lustre? Isn't the country screwed up enough that it doesn't take those bastards to get a good mad on? I'm all for righteous indignation, but there must be a limit. |
As long as they don't go near global warming or evolution, they're all right. |
"all right" as in "okay", not "all correct" nor a pun on Right Wing politics. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| On 'Real Time with Bill Maher' this week Bill made an excellent point. The right seems to think that if you don't agree that 'America is the greatest country' rather than 'American is the greatest country for Americans' you are unpatriotic. After reading about Denmark I wouldn't mind being Danish, and in a lot of ways there are a number of countries better than America. Are we number one in all the statistical measurements of a society? Nope. The insane idea that questioning the perfection of the US invalidates your citizenship is... well, insane. |
Love it or leave it. These colors don't run. And so on and so forth. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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Yeah, Conservatives say a lot of things. Doesn't mean they tell the truth, now does it?
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Echoing McCain, Lowry misrepresented Obama's comments on Pakistan
On Hannity & Colmes, National Review's Rich Lowry aired a clip of Sen. John McCain falsely asserting that Sen. Barack Obama said he's "going to bomb a country that is a sovereign nation," a distortion of Obama's statement about Pakistan that McCain has repeatedly made. Lowry then echoed McCain by saying that Obama "detailed his willingness to bomb suspected terrorist cells in Pakistan." In fact, Obama said: "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and [Pakistani] President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will." |
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220007?f=h_top
In fact, that's what the US did; we sent in a drone to bomb an Al-Qaeda target in Pakistan back in January.
They can question Obama's patriotism all they want, but the more they do it, the dumber they look. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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It's an utter crock to say that someone isn't patriotic becuase they don't stand for a pledge or an anthem. They can love their country just as much as (or even more than) the next person but have religious or philosophical disagreements regarding pledges to flags and national anthems.
Not to mention that the US Supreme Court has already ruled that being forced to participate in those two rituals in any way is unconstitutional. To my way of thinking, upholding the Constitution is a blame sight more patritotic than standing up and uttering a short poem. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Christ. Are you guys finished drawing-and-quartering your stereotypical right-wing boogeyman/strawman and his clich� bumper-stickerisms yet? |
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