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santafly
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Hee hee hee....
The first testament was converted from oral tradition to a written text by Rabbi Akivah and his students around the time Jesus was alive. It is widely believed that Rabbis at that time would smoke hash for religious purposes - easy to liken this to the hash use of Indian Sadhus - these cultures were contemporaneous and had contact (through trade) - Sadhus just haven't changed there practices over the past 2000 years.
Moses is credited with writing the 10 commandments, not the bible. Do you need to be on psychedelics to come up with simple social/moral rules? And in all seriousness, what is up with people who think the stories in the bible are meant to be taken literally - That has never been the intention - they are meant to entertain people and educate them about morals - Anyone who thinks they are supposed to believe that these stories are factual events is a moron.
I liked that comment about right wing Christians finding out about Moses using drugs....but in reality the Christian faiths just pick and choose among facets of the bible which help to support their views and ends. It specifically states in the first testament that trying to convert others is morally wrong and against religious law......
I saw a bumper sticker a couple weeks ago that said "If Bush is a Christian than I'm the Virgin Mary" . |
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safeblad
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I did a dissertation a long time ago on accounts of the government that moses set up to govern the jews. My memory is a little hazy because I was also on drugs but i might be able to help a little on some issues about moses that have come up in the thread.
Moses is supposed to have written the Pentateuch, the first 5 books of the old testament. This includes exodus and accounts of himself that go something like: 'moses was a humble man, more humble than any man that every lived'. 10 commandments etc
I am pretty certain that moses existed, there are classical historians that wrote of his existence. Tacitus wrote about him and there are a few paragraphs about him by Strabo the Geographer.
If you want to read a good book about moses i suggest: 'Moses the Egyptian' by Jan Assaman (sp?) |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| I've yet to hear of a drug that makes you actually experience anything like revelations. |
ahhhh......the link between a religious or mystical experience and the use of psychedelic drugs has been know by human kind for thousands of year.
This image comes from a cave painting in Algeria and dates back 5-7000 years ago.
More recently academics have taken on the question of relating the psychedelic experience to a religious one.
Here's an example:
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| Neuroscientists Find God In Magic Mushrooms |
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| Forty years after Timothy Leary, the apostle of drug-induced mysticism, urged his 1960s hippie followers to "tune in, turn on, and drop out", researchers at Johns Hopkins University in the US have for the first time demonstrated that mystical experiences can be produced safely in the laboratory. |
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For the Johns Hopkins study, 30 middle-aged volunteers who had religious or spiritual interests attended two eight-hour drug sessions, two months apart, receiving psilocybin in one session and a non-hallucinogenic stimulant - Ritalin - in the other. They were not told which drug was which.
One-third described the experience with psilocybin as the most spiritually significant of their lifetime and two-thirds rated it among their five most meaningful experiences. |
http://www.mindpowernews.com/MagicMushrooms.htm
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| And what the hell were the people who wrote like 12 chapters on circumcision smoking? |
It probably had to do something with one's health.
I've also heard this theory:
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| I'd also suggest reading the book "Supernatural" by Graham Hancock. |
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Khenan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| is moses mentioned in egyptian texts? it would seem 2 million folks leaving would get alot of ink. the egyptians wrote everything down. |
No, he - and they - are not. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| I vote drunk or mentally ill because there's so much violence, killing and not least a direct endorsement for a disgustingly severe form of totalitarianism. If they were on drugs, it'd be more mellowed out. |
I vote syphilis as it makes you crazy and gives you a burning bush. |
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lastat06513
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Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The beginning of this post seemed very.......existential......... |
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mj roach
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| might well have been tripping on ergot |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Gotta go with a big thumbs-up on the drug theory(ies)...
As for whether Moses existed or not...and any Egyptian records thereof, check out the book (Part of a Historical 'Trilogy' of Earth's and Mankind's origins):
AGES IN CHAOS by Immanuel Velikovsky
If you grok that (Sorry Robert Heinlein - couldn't resist...), then check out the other two books:
WORLDS IN COLLISION and AGES IN CHAOS
You may not agree with much/everything he sez, but he certainly shook up the so-called 'academic' establishment when he published these more than 50 years ago... |
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