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[igotthisguitar]

[indytrucks]

I haven't brought up the issue of Tibet in my classes because generally speaking, I'm not bothered.

[Neil]

Haven't raised it as I teach kids and am not really bothered myself but I've been suprised by some of my Korean friends (who usually have zero interest in non Korean issues) who have all mentioned it in conversation quite a lot. I guess Chinese affairs get a big write up in the Korean press thesedays.

[ardis]

[igotthisguitar]

Don't think you addressed the question. How long until it's no longer a trend?

i.e. When does it clearly surpass its alleged "trendiness" & attain the status of a genuine issue of concern?

Moreover, are "trends" like e.g. the latest fashions & "cool" *yawn* video games, the same as supporting the general cause of human rights
& exposing state tyranny?

Headed for Olympics? Beware of Big Brother
Olympic Attendees Will Be Bugged and Searched, U.S. State Department Says

If you're planning on attending this summer's Olympic Games in Beijing, expect your hotel room to be bugged and searched while you're not there.


(AP Photo/ PhotoDisc ) By KIRIT RADIA
March 20, 2008

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That's one of the warnings in a new fact sheet on the 2008 Olympics issued today by the U.S. State Department to Americans who intend to go to the games that are being hosted by the Chinese government.

"All visitors should be aware that they have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public or private locations," the fact sheet says. "All hotel rooms and offices are considered to be subject to on-site or remote technical monitoring at all times. Hotel rooms, residences and offices may be accessed at any time without the occupant's consent or knowledge."

This is similar to advice that U.S. officials visiting China follow. The U.S. military has been increasingly worried about Chinese electronic surveillance capabilities.

ABC News was granted exclusive access to the head of the U.S. Pacific Command, Adm. Timothy Keating, as he met with top Chinese military leaders in January. Keating told ABC News' Jonathan Karl that even his staff members leave their electronic devices behind for fear that the Chinese could hack into them.

"It's our assessment that the Chinese have the capability to penetrate our electronic systems. We would rather they not do that," Keating said.

The State Department's fact sheet also warns that Americans may not be able to access certain portions of the U.S. Embassy's Web site while within China, a sign of China's growing ability to restrict Internet access to sites it sees as challenges to its rule.

Americans traveling in China are encouraged to register first with the U.S. embassy through its Web site. However, according to the fact sheet, "Since this registration system site is not always available from within China, registering before you leave home is highly recommended."

The State Department says that the terror threat for the Games is low but cites recent violence in Tibet and a purported attempt to blow up a passenger plane in China earlier this month as "good examples of how potentially dangerous events can occur in the run-up to the Olympics."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4492008&page=1

[ttompatz]

The Hawaiian sovereignty movement consists of organizations and individuals seeking some form of sovereignty for Hawai'i.

Generally, the movement's focus is on self-determination and self-governance for people of whole or part Native Hawaiian ancestry or, in some cases, for "Hawaiian nationals", without regard to race or ancestry.

In some instances the focus also includes redress from the United States for the 1893 overthrow of Queen Lili'uokalani, and for what is seen as a prolonged military occupation beginning in 1898 with the annexation of the Republic of Hawaii to the United States, and continuing until the present day.

The movement generally views both the overthrow and annexation as illegal, and holds the U.S. government responsible for these actions.

People who work toward independence are routinely treated as criminals or terrorists by the US government.

How is this different from Tibet?

[Ya-ta Boy]

[igotthisguitar]

[nicholas_chiasson]

you know just cause it is in bold doesn't mean it is true.[/b]

[Ilsanman]

Because the original residents are not being silenced, forced into exile, or murdered wholesale. Not a good comparison.

[igotthisguitar]

Mao knew exactly what he was doing, and what he aimed to acheive in "uniting" the "motherland".

For its part, South Korea would even today likely have been under Chinese control had it not been for maverick McCarthur's bold decsion to launch a counter-assault on Incheon.

Massing approx. 40,000 troops on Tibet's ( the great western treasure house ) eastern borders 1949, and then within but a few months helping to create a major int'l distaction down on the Korean Penninsula.

The whole world, media included, courtesy of the UN etc. was completely focused on KOREA while China freely had its way with TIBET.

1950-1951 invasion of Tibet by China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950-1951_invasion_of_Tibet

1950 invasion of South Korea by North Korea with Soviet support
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Order_of_battle

1950 invasion of North Korea by United Nations and South Korea

1951 invasion of South Korea by the Chinese People's Volunteer Army and North Korea

1951 invasion of North Korea by United Nations and South Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions

After raising the issue, filling them in on the history, looming Olympics, human rights angles etc.
i was surprised & proud of my students.

They all wrote in-class essays, went home & asked their parents about China's occupation of TIBET, how it parallels
Japan's lording over Korea for so long ( the people here can REALLY identify with this ) etc.

One young teenage girl told me she's now even doing a in-class speech on the matter at her public school.

i told her that not only does this constitute "good karma", but that many suffering & disembodied Tibetans would,
if they could, likely want to very much thank her for her efforts as well

[nicholas_chiasson]

I think you're full of it
No way any class, of YOUNG TEENAGERS in Korea would ever write IN CLASS ESSAYS.
Essays? Essays? I worked with uni students from Korea in the US. It took them hours to put a single argument into English, and your little braniacs are not only so well informed by your ramblings on Tibet, but they cranked at essays!?

[Adventurer]

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