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[stevemcgarrett]

Spot on, MD. See my post to the Hillary sniper thread for more loony tunes.

And we haven't seen the last of this farce, I'm afraid.

P.S. Be kind and rewind--er--reformat, the next new thread you post for us visually-challenged here.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[stillnotking]

Look, we're not children here -- of course Obama is blocking a MI/FL revote unless it is conducted on terms favorable to him. Why shouldn't he? He's got the ball, the lead, and the clock on his side.

Ya-ta, if you think this is a morally clear-cut issue, I urge you to review the entire history of the MI/FL debacle. First of all, it wasn't Obama's idea to move the primaries up; in fact, Gov. Granholm of Michigan is a Clinton super delegate. Second, Obama did not make the DNC rules, and one of Clinton's top campaign people (Ickes) ratified them. Third, all the candidates agreed very early on that the results of the MI/FL primaries would count for nothing. It smacks of opportunism and historical revisionism for Clinton to complain of "disenfranchisement" at this late date.

Everyone involved, from the candidates to the state legislatures, is playing politics. There are no good guys and bad guys here, no standard-bearers of Democracy confronting the dark forces of Oppression. If you personally believe that Obama's stance is immoral, then by all means do not vote for him in the general election, but please only do so with a full understanding of what's going on.

[Ya-ta Boy]

I really don't care what any of the candidates said at any point about Florida and Michigan. I care that the people (Democratic voters) are getting screwed out of their right to express their preference for the nominee.

[stillnotking]

[Milwaukiedave]

[Milwaukiedave]

If that's not enough...this just in:

March 26, 2008, 5:00 PM
Judge: Michigan Primary Law Unconstitutional
Posted by Brian Montopoli| 4

A federal judge today ruled that the Michigan law establishing the state's Jan. 15 presidential primary is unconstitutional. The reason? The law unfairly prevents minor parties from access to voter lists.

Because Michigan held its primary before Democratic National Committee rules permitted, the DNC stripped the state of its delegates to the party convention. The candidates boycotted the state, and Obama's name did not appear on the primary ballot.

The Hillary Clinton campaign seized on the decision to urge the Barack Obama campaign to support a new, party-run primary, the results of which would ostensibly replace the Jan. 15 primary results.

"Michigan voters must not be disenfranchised and the Obama campaign must not continue to block Michigan�s efforts to hold a new vote," Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams said in the statement. "Rather it should move quickly to announce its support for a party run primary."

As CBS News chief political consultant Marc Ambinder notes, the ruling does not mean that a new primary must be held � the judge left that question up to the parties themselves.

"...the ruling today means nothing more than a chance for her to make the case again for a re-vote," Ambinder writes.

The Clinton campaign has been pressing for a revote in the hope that delegates from Michigan (as well as Florida, a state similarly penalized) would help her close the delegate gap on Obama. In the latest CBS News delegate count, Obama leads Clinton 1618 to 1491.

Obama's response:

[Ya-ta Boy]

I'm not interested in being 'fair' to either candidate. My priority is and has been all along to allow the voters an equal say in the nominee by having the opportunity to vote in a 'normal' primary where all candidates campaign, all candidates are on the ballot and whichever delegates get selected get to attend the convention on an equal footing with the delegates from all other states.

Any other solution is unfair.

There was a time when Md agreed with me. He's now indicating that fairness is not his goal; Obama's victory, no matter what, is. That's his choice.

[Milwaukiedave]

Again possibly you might want to talk to the Florida and Michigan Democrats instead saying it's Obama's fault. Your peddling nothing but revisionist history. I have to wonder if you bumped your head recently.

In Michigan Governor Granholm a Clinton supporter signed the law. Please tell me who's screwing whom?

By the way, the Michigan Legislature went on vacation instead of dealing with the problem.

I've said for Florida I think penalizing half the delegates would be fine with me and then proportioning them by the vote. Of course that still doesn't satisfy some people. Hell even throw in the super delegates, I couldn't give a damn.

Michigan is a different story. I guess if your ok disenfranchising some voters with the do-over, then maybe you need to rethink your priorities.

Anyone that says there aren't people that hate Obama on this board are fooling themselves.

[Kuros]

[Milwaukiedave]