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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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 Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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The typing tutor is the regular style. For key practice, you must keep your eyes on the screen, not the keyboard. If you don't, then you won't be able to keep up. The screen will show you where the target key is. And it's a logical progression for learning the keys. I'm impressed that it's actually a good program.
Go down to the PC room and fork over the buck for an hour. You'll be surprised at how far along you've gotten by the end of the hour. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| The typing tutor is the regular style. For key practice, you must keep your eyes on the screen, not the keyboard. |
Yeah, I learned typing Korean on a keyboard with no Korean on it. If you're going to learn 2 hand typing, it really makes little difference because you're looking at the screen anyways. It's harsh at the very beginning stage, but kinda helps because it prevents cheating.
helps to remember:
consonants-left hand
vowels-right hand
hard(extra aspirated) sounds-bottom, reverse order of soft sounds on top
doubles-shift+single |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| One of the vowels is on the left so be sure to remember it separately from the other vowels. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| One of the vowels is on the left so be sure to remember it separately from the other vowels. |
Do you consider ㅇ to be a vowel? It's either a place-holder or an 'ng' sound. The actual vowel sounds come from the ㅏ,ㅜ,ㅓ,etc. And furthermore...nah, this is a pointless argument. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| How can you type in Korean on this site with a Mac? |
Try changing the character encoding on your web browser. It seems Dave's ESL is encoded using Korean (EUC-KR). If this doesn't work try Western (ISO-8859-1) or Unicode (UTF- .
Firefox: View - Character Encoding - [Selection of choice].
Safari: View - Text Encoding - [Selection of choice].
Opera: View - Encoding - [Selection of choice].
For other browsers, I have no clue. Though, I suspect they'll be similar. |
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I've asked that question numerous times and yours is the first response I've ever recieved. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| One of the vowels is on the left so be sure to remember it separately from the other vowels. |
Do you consider ㅇ to be a vowel? It's either a place-holder or an 'ng' sound. The actual vowel sounds come from the ㅏ,ㅜ,ㅓ,etc. And furthermore...nah, this is a pointless argument. |
If you're going to make a condescending post like that, perhaps you should first try knowing what you're talking about. You might not look so silly. I consider the ㅠ to be a vowel for typing on a computer keyboard. It is typed, when done correctly with the touch typing sytem, with the left index finger. |
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tselem
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| I've asked that question numerous times and yours is the first response I've ever recieved. |
Character encoding is not something your average user knows much about, and not even most tech-savvy people are familiar with it. A few years as a web designer taught me about it through many headaches.  |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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I know about text encoding and stuff but the thing I still don't understand is why some hangul will show show up just fine when I'm in "Western" and some doesn't.
For example, I can see CentralCali's hangul regardless of encoding, but not Ginormosaurus's.
My guess is that Korean keyboards encode it differently when you hit the little hangul key, but I don't know if that's it or even if I'd be seeing the Korean Korean or the Windows Korean. |
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tselem
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| JustJohn wrote: |
I know about text encoding and stuff but the thing I still don't understand is why some hangul will show show up just fine when I'm in "Western" and some doesn't.
For example, I can see CentralCali's hangul regardless of encoding, but not Ginormosaurus's. |
Change to one of the Korean encoding schemes, and you should be able to see his text.
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| My guess is that Korean keyboards encode it differently when you hit the little hangul key, but I don't know if that's it or even if I'd be seeing the Korean Korean or the Windows Korean. |
Keyboards aren't responsible for character encoding. They pass along a code to the operating system that informs the system which key has been pressed. The operating system is then responsible for interpreting this code according to the current keyboard mapping. This is how you can use the operating system to type different languages or even use different English layouts like DVORAK as opposed to QWERTY.
Within this case, the web browser and/or APIs being used are responsible for the actual encoding. So when characters are typed, the browser interprets them according to the current character encoding of the browser -- be it user-selected or site-selected.
Essentially character encoding is how the computer stores a given character in binary. The first 127 characters are usually fairly cross-compatible on all systems of encoding. These include the basic English alphabet (capital and lowercase), numbers, and some other common elements like periods and such. When you move beyond this, a give character can possibly be encoded with a different binary scheme. Hence when the computer is expect UTF-8 encoding and is feed ISO-8859-1 encoding, it's going to interpret it accordingly. This leads to garbled letters as we see has happened with Ginormosaurus. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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�ȳ��ϼ��� ������^^
Can anyone read that? I've changed my text encoding and it looks fine for me now. When I restart my computer, though, it automatically goes back to the default setting and the Hangul gets garbled.
Is it just a problem on my end or can others not read it as well? |
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tselem
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| Can anyone read that? I've changed my text encoding and it looks fine for me now. |
It's garbled. Switch your encoding to Western (Mac OS Roman), and you'll see what we mean.
I tinkered with this a little. It's best to use Western (ISO-8859-1/Latin-1) or Western (Mac OS Roman) for posting. phpBB then converts the Hangeul characters to HTML entities. If you post with another encoding then phpBB simply interprets the binary encoding as though it were one of the Western encodings. Hence, the garbled results. Although, it should be noted the garbled text can still be viewed by the end user by switching the encoding within their browsers.
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| When I restart my computer, though, it automatically goes back to the default setting and the Hangul gets garbled. |
You restart a Mac? 
If you're using Safari click Safari - Preferences (command-,). Then click on the appearance icon. At the bottom, you will see 'Default Encoding.' I have mine set to Korean (Mac OS). Then close out the preference window.
This seems to work for the vast majority of the websites I come across -- including Dave's and Cyworld. Though, occasionally, I have to switch to other encodings. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| One of the vowels is on the left so be sure to remember it separately from the other vowels. |
Do you consider ㅇ to be a vowel? It's either a place-holder or an 'ng' sound. The actual vowel sounds come from the ㅏ,ㅜ,ㅓ,etc. And furthermore...nah, this is a pointless argument. |
If you're going to make a condescending post like that, perhaps you should first try knowing what you're talking about. You might not look so silly. I consider the ㅠ to be a vowel for typing on a computer keyboard. It is typed, when done correctly with the touch typing sytem, with the left index finger. |
Doh. I didn't think of that one. You are 120% correct. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
�ȳ��ϼ��� ������^^
Can anyone read that? I've changed my text encoding and it looks fine for me now. When I restart my computer, though, it automatically goes back to the default setting and the Hangul gets garbled.
Is it just a problem on my end or can others not read it as well? |
Garbled until I change my encoding. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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re: tselem's post
I think I knew all of that, but obviously the keyboard is telling the computer more than what button you pressed, because when you press the button to switch to korean you switch to korean even though you're hitting the same keys.
Of course, I suppose it could just be telling the computer which key you're hitting, but then the change to korean key is shortcut for a command on the computer to switch the encoding. Isn't it possible that the encoding the keyboard sets up is different than the encoding the language bar sets up?
Gino and cali are obviously using 2 different encoding schemes. I'm just wondering why that happened. (I'd like to know what is making the difference and which one is more compatible so I can use that one.) |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| JustJohn wrote: |
re: tselem's post
I think I knew all of that, but obviously the keyboard is telling the computer more than what button you pressed, because when you press the button to switch to korean you switch to korean even though you're hitting the same keys.
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Tselem right, the keyboard just tells what buttons are pressed. It's a dumb input device. The mapping of those buttons to various characters occurs through the operating system. And the switch from English to Korean is made possible through the operating system. |
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