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ontheway
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Even Reagan backed FDR enthusiastically. He backed Truman too and always maintained that "I didn't leave the Democratic Party; it left me."
Truman was nearly a great president too in my view, and steely-eyed against Stalin unlike FDR.
Nothing wrong with social security although it was initially intended as a stop-gap measure but like all bureaucracies it burgeoned. If they can reform it, I'm still all for it. That and Head Start are two social welfare programs we've benefited from, in my view. |
Which means that you don't care that Social Security has been legally bankrupt since the early 1950's, has $30 trillion or so in unfunded liabilities TODAY not the future amounts, and has prevented the creation of at least 200 million good jobs around the world causing mass poverty.
Good program.
Social Security is the equivalent to having several Enron failures every day. It is a massive fraud. If it were to happen in the private sector its creators, managers and supporters would go to prison for fraud, and rightly so. And on one would dare praise its progenitor. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Which means that you don't care that Social Security has been legally bankrupt since the early 1950's, has $30 trillion or so in unfunded liabilities TODAY not the future amounts, and has prevented the creation of at least 200 million good jobs around the world causing mass poverty. |
I'd care if it were true but what you declare (without a shred of verifiable evidence) smacks of Lyndon LaRouche. Next you'll be talking about the Trilateral Commission, which will no doubt get regicide yapping at your heels.
As I said, Roosevelt provided it initially as a stop-gap measure. That it took on a life of its own, warts and all, speaks to the will of the people, which is very democratic to all but a cynic.
And Mike Gravel? Are you kidding me? He makes Ron Paul seem like a viable candidate for office. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
ontheway:
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| Which means that you don't care that Social Security has been legally bankrupt since the early 1950's, has $30 trillion or so in unfunded liabilities TODAY not the future amounts, and has prevented the creation of at least 200 million good jobs around the world causing mass poverty. |
I'd care if it were true but what you declare (without a shred of verifiable evidence) smacks of Lyndon LaRouche. Next you'll be talking about the Trilateral Commission, which will no doubt get regicide yapping at your heels.
As I said, Roosevelt provided it initially as a stop-gap measure. That it took on a life of its own, warts and all, speaks to the will of the people, which is very democratic to all but a cynic.
And Mike Gravel? Are you kidding me? He makes Ron Paul seem like a viable candidate for office. |
You are correct that Rooseveldt intended Social Security to be a "stop gap" measure. In fact, according to a historian friend of mine, who's family is connected to the Rooseveldt family, it was FDR's intent to abolish it.
However, if you were well read in economics you would recogize the data I have provided. It is correct, currently accepted economic fact, and as well known as the old discredited Keynesian ideas that are only still in vogue on this board.
And I have never been a supporter of Mike Gravel. He is interesting, and his political views are evolving in the correct direction, but he has a long way to go. I do hope he gets there. It is the direction that his politial journey is taking him that is most interesting. He mirrors another small but significant group of Americans that is waking up. |
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