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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| reactionary wrote: |
the 20th century was a brutal time. why single out the japanese?
armenian genocide
nazis
firebombing of dresden
rape and pillage by the red army on the way to berlin
hutus and tutsis
killing fields
american (and korean) gis in vietnam
note that most of the things that happened more than 50 years ago have largely been forgiven though not forgotten. |
add hiroshima and nagasaki to that list and it'll be complete. |
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Suwon23
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I'm watching the first part of the Nanking video now, and I have to say, if you learn about Nanking from one source, please don't let it be this one. It uses subtle propaganda techniques, such as suggesting that China never invaded a foreign nation due to the moral prohibitions of Confucianism, and unabashed lies, such as claiming that China never invaded a foreign nation. The portrayal of Japan as a nation dedicated purely to war, specifically war against China, in contrast to China's thousands of years of "peace," is another gut-churning misrepresentation. For example, the video states that Shinto bacame the official state religion in 1868, and that the bushido code was adopted as a model for all Japanese citizens. Shinto (which is several centuries old) did become the official religion after the Meiji restoration, but the invocation of "bushido" was used merely as a rhetorical device to rile up the peasants. The actual samurai class was slowly abolished at the same time, being mostly absorbed into the new white collar upper class.
EDIT: Also, making one's video on Windows Movie Maker and going crazy with the different wipes doesn't help one's case.
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Uh, I've seen the Nanking one several months ago. I'm glad that I saw it, but at the same time, I wish that I hadn't. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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It's funny when people talk out of their @ss. Let me preface by saying I worked 7 years in Japan prior to coming to Korea. That said, the following is true:
The vast majority of Japanese textbooks do teach about Nanking just not in detail and to the extent one might like to see in the west. |
It was my understanding that they have recently been removed from a lot of texts. |
Recently? They do revise the history books every now and then but the message is still the same as Cangel said. It is quite brief and does not go into detail mainly because everybody knows about it. It is quite an extremely shameful past to them as far as I can recall. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: Re: I hate Japan now too! |
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| endo wrote: |
| I love Korea, but sometimes the nationalists here get on my nerves and I want to see this country ebarassed. |
nationalism is lways irritating when you're iin a foreign country.Theres an equal amount of it back in the west. Ever heard Brits or Australians rant on about the 2nd world war? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: |
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And what is wrong with that sign exactly? |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
And what is wrong with that sign exactly? |
Looks about right to me. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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And what is wrong with that sign exactly? |
Looks about right to me. |
Pearl Harbor isn't mentioned. Roosevelt instituted an embargo, and then . . . Japan was forced into war. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Pearl Harbor isn't mentioned. Roosevelt instituted an embargo, and then . . . Japan was forced into war. |
Pearl Harbour was a terrible movie. That's why. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Pearl Harbor isn't mentioned. Roosevelt instituted an embargo, and then . . . Japan was forced into war. |
Pearl Harbour was a terrible movie. That's why. |
I understand that movies may be your only outlet on history, but some of us, you know, read.
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thekakapo
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Pearl Harbor isn't mentioned. Roosevelt instituted an embargo, and then . . . Japan was forced into war. |
Pearl Harbour was a terrible movie. That's why. |
I understand that movies may be your only outlet on history, but some of us, you know, read. . |
Aaahaha!! I love that you said that and then linked to the wikipedia article! I was certain it was going to be some link to an important tome on amazon.com. Nope!
I mean, heck, I love wiki too, but if you're going to give someone a hard time about their love of pop culture over serious research, linking to wikipedia weakens the argument just a bit! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| thekakapo wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Pearl Harbor isn't mentioned. Roosevelt instituted an embargo, and then . . . Japan was forced into war. |
Pearl Harbour was a terrible movie. That's why. |
I understand that movies may be your only outlet on history, but some of us, you know, read. . |
Aaahaha!! I love that you said that and then linked to the wikipedia article! I was certain it was going to be some link to an important tome on amazon.com. Nope!
I mean, heck, I love wiki too, but if you're going to give someone a hard time about their love of pop culture over serious research, linking to wikipedia weakens the argument just a bit! |
Yes, I am going to give some people in this thread a hard time. They couldn't figure out the critical intervening event between the American embargo on Japan and America's victory over Japan.
Wiki still involves reading. I didn't know it had to be academic to surpass the factual and historical standards of Hollywood movies. |
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thekakapo
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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Wiki still involves reading. I didn't know it had to be academic to surpass the factual and historical standards of Hollywood movies. |
Nah... I was just poking fun at the somewhat superior tone I picked up from the post. I really did laugh when I saw what your link was. I reference wiki all the time! 
Also, Pearl Harbor was a horrible movie. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| American textbooks have been hacked up and edited in quite similar / sometimes more disturbing ways. The ones I teach out of gloss over all criticism of the United States, praise Dubya and blur all mentions of slavery or warfare in such a PC way as to be more disturbing than obvious. |
Seconded. My wold history textbook included a section on slavery that couldn't have been more than 2 paragraphs long. In AP history, it was a little better: half a chapter. It included lyching, Jim Crow, and Civil Rights, conveniently rolled into a nice package for Black History Month.
But...no country is perfect. (Not even Canada.) |
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