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[Ya-ta Boy]

[bellum99]

It was a well known fact that men who didn't show an interest in woman could and should join the church. This provided a way for the men to live an honorable life and not bring shame on their families. The church knew this and encouraged it. Many rich young nobles joined the church for this reason.

The pope himself has for sure either engaged in sex with women or is gay( I find it impossible that he has gone for 50 years without sex). No rational living person could possibly ever believe this. So...the pope is of course a liar and possibly a sodomist.

[Dude Love]

I'd like someone to quote Catholic scripture stating that anyone who has anal sex, is an unbeliever or doesn't go to Church every Sunday or try to have a baby everytime they ejaculate is going to hell. Also, homosexuality is illegal in most countries of a certain non-Christian religion. Why does no one bust their b*lls?

[bigverne]

[ED209]

[JMO]

[Dude Love]

I was hoping for specifically Catholic doctrine that anyone is by default going to hell. As for the Bible, the harshest passages are from the Old Testament. I wonder why no one takes them up with Jewish people.
As for the New Testament, it's all from the apostle Paul. Jesus never said anything about it that we knew of. Yes, Catholicsm teaches homosexuality's wrong but doesn't say gay people are automatically going to hell or that they're distinguished among sinners. Although some would disagree, some sins are worse than others and the media exaggerates the Catholic Church's opposition to it. Catholicism also heavily emphasizes forgiveness despite the stereotype of Catholic shame.
It's off topic but I don't think a Muslim would go to hell for not going to Mass every Sunday. As for Catholics not going, I'm not sure.
Again, homosexuality's a corporal crime or punishable by death in 12 countries of a religion other than Catholicism. No one's protesting them.

[JMO]

Specific catholic doctrine is the catechism. It is pretty fuzzy but the standard interpretation is that the knowledge of the gravity of the sin makes its a mortal sin.

If you are a catholic, and you do not observe the sabbath, you go to hell. Unless you confess it of course. This is the definition of a mortal sin.

There are different standards of sin. Your everyday sins are venial sins. Directly breaking the ten commandments normally lead to grave sins. Grave sins are basically mortal sins if you do them intentionally or with consent.

Catholic guilt is not a stereotype. The amount of time my older family members spend in confession will attest to that.

I have to say, that as a catholic, I'm surprised you are not aware of all this. From an early age I knew all about venial sins, mortal sins, plenary indulgences and the like. Admittedly I learned this from my family(two priests in my extended family) rather from the school system. I'd be interested in knowing your background.

I'd say if you come from a catholic community asking someone in your family in the 40-60 range will fill you in.

edit: that sounds a little condescending..not my intention.

[Dude Love]

I'm a practicing, well-catechized Catholic. I thought not going to Mass was a mortal sin but a soon-to-be Catholic deacon told me it wasn't. He was a middle-aged teacher at a Jesuit school. I'm not sure if it is or not. I'd rather just go; I very rarely consider it a bother.
I think it's good you have family members spending so much time in Confession. It's not necessarily guilt, just acknowledgment of wrongdoing. Excessive guilt is scrupulosity, which is not a good thing. If you want to know more about me send a PM.

[bacasper]

Missing mass on a Sunday or Holy Day of Obligation IS a mortal sin. Of course, if you die while wearing the brown scapula, which only cost 10 cents more than the green one, your sin will be forgiven and you'll go to heaven. That's the best 35-cent investment you'll ever make.

[JMO]

[bacasper]