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Quack Addict
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| They need to bring back the draft. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Agree with Kuros on how it ought to be universal and not merely a military perk; |
How many times does it have to be said for people to understand it? This is not the only government financial assistance for education program. This particular one is for the military. There are other programs available for others. For the military programs, the military members must opt in and serve a certain time to be eligible for the benefits. |
Yes. Gopher and I are aware of this. Run along, now. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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The biggest lie in America today is that people actually give two-shitts about "the troops".
It's like saying you support children of unwed mothers, or the elderly.
Sounds good, but other than tying a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree,or wearing a flag pin on your lapel, what the hell does "support the troops" actually mean?
I mean, who is actually saying they don't support the troops?
I think we can take it as a given that EVERYONE SUPPORTS THE TROOPS.
As soon as someone comes out AGAINST the troops, I encourage the relevant news agency to report it, dutifully. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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People can SAY they're for the troops all they want.
However, actions speak louder than words.
In McCain's case, he doesn't want to support the Webb bill or amendment, so he has his own. However it doesn't provide anywhere near the amount of money that the GIs need to cover college costs.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1587103/20080508/id_0.jhtml
But this isn't the only time McCain has stood against the troops.
He has voted against funding the VA.
� Voted AGAINST an amendment providing $20 billion to the VA�s medical facilities. [5/4/06]
� Voted AGAINST providing $430 million to the VA for outpatient care �and treatment for veterans,� one of only 13 senators to do so. [4/26/06]
� Voted AGAINST increasing VA funding by $1.5 billion by closing corporate loopholes. [3/14/06]
� Voted AGAINST increasing VA funding by $1.8 billion by ending �abusive tax loopholes.� [3/10/04]
Then there's his foreign policy votes and statements, which seem to change more often than a nurse changes latex gloves.
He said he was for the "Mission Accomplished" banner before he was against it.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/02/mccain-was-for-bushs-mission-accomplished-banner-before-he-was-against-it/
He said the war wasn't for oil, then it was, then Gulf War I was for oil.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/02/john-mccain-admits-iraq-war-was-over-oil/ |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Here's McCain's defense.
I think its far too subtle to be effective. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is going to pay for this? Where would the money come from? The government is saddled with so much debt after the war they can't afford these things, now can they? |
Sorry, but any party which will go into debt to buy the guns, tanks, and ammo to start a war but is unwilling to pay to help the soldiers who fight that war on the basis of the cost of waging the war in the first place... is an administration on its way out of elected office: McCain will hang himself with that kind of support of Bush. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Agree with Kuros on how it ought to be universal and not merely a military perk; |
How many times does it have to be said for people to understand it? This is not the only government financial assistance for education program. This particular one is for the military. There are other programs available for others. For the military programs, the military members must opt in and serve a certain time to be eligible for the benefits. |
Yes. Gopher and I are aware of this. Run along, now. |
Grow up. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Bush and McCain try to take credit for the bill they opposed |
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Bush and McCain try to take credit for the GI Bill
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Yesterday, House leaders in both parties struck a deal on a war supplemental bill that includes expanded college benefits for veterans. The GI Bill is Sen. Jim Webb�s (D-VA) version, as well as a provision allowing troops to transfer the benefits to family members. President Bush has promised to sign the legislation.
Now, however, Bush and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) � the two most vocal opponents of Webb�s bill � are trying to take credit for it. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The biggest lie in America today is that people actually give two-shitts about "the troops". |
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| I think we can take it as a given that EVERYONE SUPPORTS THE TROOPS. |
Huh? |
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Khenan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
I think we can take it as a given that EVERYONE SUPPORTS THE TROOPS.
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Sorry, I must have missed that meeting. Personally, I could care less what happens to brainwashed mass murderers.
"Support the troops"? Why? They already get paid - that's the bargain, right? They shoot people who speak funny languages, and then the government pays them. If they're complaining about their contracts, then they should have bargained for more. They get no sympathy from me - it should have been pretty clear what they were getting themselves into before they volunteered to fly halfway around the world to shoot people. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
I think we can take it as a given that EVERYONE SUPPORTS THE TROOPS.
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Sorry, I must have missed that meeting. Personally, I could care less what happens to brainwashed mass murderers.
"Support the troops"? Why? They already get paid - that's the bargain, right? They shoot people who speak funny languages, and then the government pays them. If they're complaining about their contracts, then they should have bargained for more. They get no sympathy from me - it should have been pretty clear what they were getting themselves into before they volunteered to fly halfway around the world to shoot people. |
wow, talk about oversimplification. How many soldiers do you know? Zero? |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
I think we can take it as a given that EVERYONE SUPPORTS THE TROOPS.
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Sorry, I must have missed that meeting. Personally, I could care less what happens to brainwashed mass murderers.
"Support the troops"? Why? They already get paid - that's the bargain, right? They shoot people who speak funny languages, and then the government pays them. If they're complaining about their contracts, then they should have bargained for more. They get no sympathy from me - it should have been pretty clear what they were getting themselves into before they volunteered to fly halfway around the world to shoot people. |
Clearly, you never served. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quack Addict wrote: |
| They need to bring back the draft. |
Strongly agree, for lots and lots and lots of reasons, first and foremost being the re-admission of the shared sense of "Repsonsibilities" back into the equation of The Rights and Responsibilities of Citizenship. Failing the reinstitution of the draft, I have no issue with a de facto higher grade of Rights embodied by something like Webb's GI Bill. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
I think we can take it as a given that EVERYONE SUPPORTS THE TROOPS.
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Sorry, I must have missed that meeting. Personally, I could care less what happens to brainwashed mass murderers.
"Support the troops"? Why? They already get paid - that's the bargain, right? They shoot people who speak funny languages, and then the government pays them. If they're complaining about their contracts, then they should have bargained for more. They get no sympathy from me - it should have been pretty clear what they were getting themselves into before they volunteered to fly halfway around the world to shoot people. |
Oh, kumbayaa. |
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toiletgod2000
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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I disagree with the new bill. Why should we provide any incentives to increase the size of the army? I want to see it shrink, not get bigger or more expensive. According to the current projections, the size would drop something like 16% due to GIs going to college, but would increase 16% due to new recruits. So right now, it's predicted that the army would stay the same size but get more expensive. If the economic downturn accelerates, more people will join up, further increasing costs.
Why should we give them anything extra after their finished? It would be like my school giving me a check for $40,000 on my way out for two years of good service. They wouldn't get better teaching or more dedication out of me, although you can bet there would be a lot of competition to replace me.
You can say that educating Americans is a service to our country, and I agree. It's just that I'd rather pick the citizens who didn't volunteer to go kill people to have a free education. |
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