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Pluto
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| I exaggerated a tad. What are the major theories on why the British drink themselves to such disrepair? When compared with the French, Dutch and Americans the UK has a very low-class, crass and dangerous relationship with alcohol. Why? |
Part of the problem is that since WW1, there have been restrictions, such as legal drinking hours. Most pubs must stop serving at 11 pm, and must have turfed out all their customers by 11:20 pm.
What happens is that at 10:30, knowing last orders will soon be called and drinking will be over, loads of punters go up to the counter and order themselves a glut of drinks. So you'll have loads of guys, in loads of pubs, all over the town, skulling down 3 or more pints of beer in less than an hour, and then spilling onto the streets at exactly the same time.
An excellent recipe for trouble. |
I don't know BB. I was in Ibiza about 7 years ago. All the French, Germans, Italians, Irish, Swedes, Spanish and even Americans weren't even on par with the behavior of the English. The English were puking in the streets and starting fights with everyone. I don't mean to pick on the English. This is just what I observed and bars in Ibiza during August are open 24/7.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| I exaggerated a tad. What are the major theories on why the British drink themselves to such disrepair? When compared with the French, Dutch and Americans the UK has a very low-class, crass and dangerous relationship with alcohol. Why? |
Part of the problem is that since WW1, there have been restrictions, such as legal drinking hours. Most pubs must stop serving at 11 pm, and must have turfed out all their customers by 11:20 pm.
What happens is that at 10:30, knowing last orders will soon be called and drinking will be over, loads of punters go up to the counter and order themselves a glut of drinks. So you'll have loads of guys, in loads of pubs, all over the town, skulling down 3 or more pints of beer in less than an hour, and then spilling onto the streets at exactly the same time.
An excellent recipe for trouble. |
I don't know BB. I was in Ibiza about 7 years ago. All the French, Germans, Italians, Germans, Swedes, Spanish and even Americans weren't even on par with the behavior of the English. The English were puking in the streets and starting fights with everyone. I don't mean to pick on the English. This is just what I observed and bars in Ibiza during August are open 24/7. |
I've no doubt at all that the Brits behaved so. You will never catch me on package tour with a busload of British chavs.
If you go back to my post you will see that I started with 'part of the problem...' |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't been in the UK in a decade (at which time I was also involved in a police incident) but it seems pretty clear from ever Brit over 30 that I talk to that they've completely let the country go to the dogs. It seems that the consequences of causing trouble have never been lower and the consequences of trying to stop trouble have never been higher. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| I exaggerated a tad. What are the major theories on why the British drink themselves to such disrepair? When compared with the French, Dutch and Americans the UK has a very low-class, crass and dangerous relationship with alcohol. Why? |
Part of the problem is that since WW1, there have been restrictions, such as legal drinking hours. Most pubs must stop serving at 11 pm, and must have turfed out all their customers by 11:20 pm.
What happens is that at 10:30, knowing last orders will soon be called and drinking will be over, loads of punters go up to the counter and order themselves a glut of drinks. So you'll have loads of guys, in loads of pubs, all over the town, skulling down 3 or more pints of beer in less than an hour, and then spilling onto the streets at exactly the same time.
An excellent recipe for trouble. |
I don't know BB. I was in Ibiza about 7 years ago. All the French, Germans, Italians, Irish, Swedes, Spanish and even Americans weren't even on par with the behavior of the English. The English were puking in the streets and starting fights with everyone. I don't mean to pick on the English. This is just what I observed and bars in Ibiza during August are open 24/7. |
In Ibiza, you see the very lowest forms of genetic and social abhorrence the UK has to offer. What you saw in Ibiza is representative of a minority (a large minority, admittedly) of UK society. The largest social class in the UK by far is the professional class - educated, decent, civilized - with the upper class (aristocracy) and working class (the UK equivalent of rednecks) minorities. Very sadly indeed, it is those two minorities that sully the UK reputation worldwide.
Britain is a tiny island that has contributed massively to the advancement of our species and continues to do so in the sciences and technology. The household names that are Britons are hundreds, perhaps thousands, in number. What the UK needs to do is create a Far Right nationalist agenda whereby famous, advancing Britons, past and present, are worshiped as Gods and the peasant, verminous, economy-draining underclass are demonized, persecuted as inferrior subhumans who should be sterilized. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Thats great, i mean aside from the little fact that americans blow each other away more then any other industrialised country on the planet. sounds like an idyllic place to live. |
It actually is.
Some rules of thumb for not getting shot:
1) Don't talk s/hit to a guy with a gun
2) Don't buy your blow in a ghetto
So far, it has worked for me. |
The article is probably right.
American ghettoes are most likely a lot scarier than our ghettoes (council estates) though. It's all a matter of degree, I guess. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but most of this violence is highly concentrated in the ghettos. Don't go to the ghetto. The non-ghetto area of cities (95% of the city) is perfectly safe. The crime is hugely exaggerated. I recently met Swedish tourists (grown men) who won't leave their hotel after 8pm.
London, on the other hand, is in entirety a violent place. The part about gangs of drunk kids being absent in America and the norm in the UK is perfectly true. |
No its not. What an idiotic generalisation. In fact I found it to be much less violent than Hampshire lol.... |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| I exaggerated a tad. What are the major theories on why the British drink themselves to such disrepair? When compared with the French, Dutch and Americans the UK has a very low-class, crass and dangerous relationship with alcohol. Why? |
Part of the problem is that since WW1, there have been restrictions, such as legal drinking hours. Most pubs must stop serving at 11 pm, and must have turfed out all their customers by 11:20 pm.
What happens is that at 10:30, knowing last orders will soon be called and drinking will be over, loads of punters go up to the counter and order themselves a glut of drinks. So you'll have loads of guys, in loads of pubs, all over the town, skulling down 3 or more pints of beer in less than an hour, and then spilling onto the streets at exactly the same time.
An excellent recipe for trouble. |
Also it's seen as being macho and cool to be able to drink a lot and not be a 'lightweight.' |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| What are the major theories on why the British drink themselves to such disrepair |
Isn't the main theory simply socialization? You learn how to behave when drinking/drunk like the people around you when you first experience it. |
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