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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| look to be maybe a dozen people down there |
There are too many buildings that look too large for there to be just 'maybe a dozen people down there'. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| The story goes like this, though: after the first flyby, most of the tribe fled into the woods. Then the warriors put on their warpaint and pointed their bows and arrows at the aircraft on subsequent flybys. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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They likely had some degree of contact with others, who had contact with others, and...
And I have a hard time believing that wholly isolated and "uncontacted" peoples and cultures exist on planet Earth as late as June 2008. |
Yeah, me too. Let's define "uncontacted," shall we? The interpretation applied by BBC to the warpaint they were wearing by the second fly-by would seem to indicate that they understand enough to know that the big, noisy bird-like thing wasn't a harbinger of good news, whereas a people with "no contact" would most likley fall down and worship such a thing. (Though perhaps dressing in warpaint and aiming their stone age weapons is an expression of worship. Who knows?)
No contact by whom? Lindsey Lohan? Fine. No word, ever, of the great big scary world beyond their huts? Not buying it, not in 2008. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I can't help thinking of 'The Gods Must Be Crazy', one of the greatest comedies of all time.
Two good books that come to mind are Peter Mathiesson's "At Play in the Fields of the Lord" and "Green Mansions", a romance from the turn of the last century. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| You can bet they get the story wrong. |
The more I think of this, the more I am certain something is completely wrong about this.
If this tribe is "uncontacted," and those who know about it (how and when did they learn of this tribe and its location, by the way?) truly want to protect it, why not stay covert and produce pics from night-vision cameras or some other sub rosa means? Why traumatize the tribe by buzzing it with aircraft?
Etc. etc.
If I were a cultural anthropologist interested in protecting this tribe, there are things I would do besides buzzing it with aircraft and creating a global press sensation that just happens to start hurling invective at "civilization" and decrying Brazilian logging practices at the same time... |
I don't see why you seem so adverse to this.
Its obvious that in an area of jungle the size of amazonia, there are still going to be some native people who have had little to zero contact with the outside world. Its a massive area, enclosed in forest.
Sure they may occasionally have seen distant light aircraft previously and been puzzled by them, but that hardly means they are going to be comfortable or familiar with one swooping down at them.
Their living habitat is indeed threatened by logging, andf already many native peoples have lost their land to clearance and conflict with loggers.
About buzzing them with a plane- I suspect that is the only way to actually get to such a remote area. Or would you prefer an expedition set out on a dangerous 2-month trek through previously unexplored forest, to make contact with tribespeople known to be armed and hostile?
The quick snapshot from the plane is a way to publicise the fact that there still exist traditional peoples dependent on the rainforest for their survival and way of life. In brazil there is highly politicised conflict about protecting the rainforest or exploiting it for timber. Loggers presumably argue that "there are no native indians left " so lets go ahead and clear it all. In such a climate, isn't it more effective to show photos of what needs protecting?- and if the people might be traumatised by an aircraft, it is a small risk to take in the larger battle to protect them. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I don't see why you seem so adverse to this.
Its obvious that in an area of jungle the size of amazonia, there are still going to be some native people who have had little to zero contact with the outside world. |
Little contact. Sure. Now define little. There are people in America who have little contact with the outside world.
Adverse is your term. Let me explain, again.
Now you, Junior, may believe everything you read in a newspaper and believe they always get it 100% right but what we're merely saying is one should not jump from "tribe with little contact with the outside world" to the Tasaday hysteria about a supposed tribe that has been undiscovered since the stone age and have remained undiscovered since the stone age. |
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Justin Kimberlake
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| They should send those smug douchebags from the Discovery Channel show where they "live" with the Kalmari or somet such tribe. They walk in and throw mind-fuks at them all the time like having them try farming and other "civilized" methods for doing stuff. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. perhaps you folks would be interested in some reading...
http://www.longitudebooks.com/find/p/499/mcms.html
Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice
Mark Plotkin
TRAVEL NARRATIVE � 1994 � PAPER � 328 PAGES � FAVORITE
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This is the stuff of adventure movies. Like Russ Mittermeir and Wade Davis, Mark Plotkin is the student of the extraordinary Richard Schultes at Harvard University, a pioneer in the field of ethnobotany. In this marvelous book Plotkin recounts his work documenting the use of medicinal plants among remote tribes in the Northwest Amazon of Suriname, Venezuela, Guyana and French Guiana. The book is a portrait of people and their environment, a tale of adventure and -- most of all -- a moving example of science in the service of preservation. He reminds us, "every time a shaman dies, it is as if a library burned down." |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Little contact. Sure. Now define little. |
It appears you define " a brazillian logger lost in the rainforest once claimed to have glimpsed a native Indian for a few seconds from 1000 yards distant" as "significant contact with the outside world".
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| Now you, Junior, may believe everything you read in a newspaper and believe they always get it 100% right |
Its hardly a world exclusive. There are plenty of small tribal groups in remote rainforest in places like Papua new guinea or Amazonia that have literally not been contacted by people from the modern world. yes maybe they saw an airplane fly over occasionally but thats about as far as it gets. Its not really news, its just that urbane city dwellers such as yourself find it hard to imagine, and try to drum up a conspiracy theory to deny the world being a far more interesting and diverse place than your mundane caffe latte existence. |
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ED209
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| I think we should raid the village and get back those crystal skulls before the world is destroyed. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| According to the Maya, we only have till 2012 to get it done. |
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Hoklanie
Joined: 22 May 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! They are out of contact with the world...let's buzz them with the plane again for some more photos! Excellent.....now they are shooting their little arrows at us..ha ha ha....so cute. Ok, let's go home and post this story. Just awesome!
Meanwhile, this tribe's entire world just turned upside down. Imagine an alien space craft buzzing Seoul a few times for some photos and then going home. We'd be a little messed up.
There is a reason why Star Trek had something called "The Prime Directive" |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| It would give them something interesting in their lives ... |
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