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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| I mean, Americans don't say "Remember Pearl Harbour!" do you? |
No, but we have "Remember the Alamo!" and "Remember the Maine!" and both were well known in their time. I don't know about other people, but it seems to me that both bring up an event when people died and not the people who caused the deaths. (Yes, I know the Spanish probably didn't do it, but let's stay on topic, OK?)
The image that will be remembered by the people who were alive at the time is the tall building with the column of smoke coming out of it. I disagree with:
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| There needs to be angry faces with turbans |
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Stormy
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| Not to put the OP on the defensive, but what is the problem with these bookmarks? Teaching kids history? How is that offensive? |
I don't find them offensive as such, as I said in the OP I just feel uneasy about them. I can't really define why, which is why I was interested in hearing what other people thought.
And it's absolutely about more than just teaching history, otherwise we'd have bookmarks with 'remember the titanic', 'remember hiroshima', 'remember the nazis'. I think it's about a little more than merely teaching history or educating kids.
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For me it seems to say "Remember the terrorist attacks" more than "Remember those who died" or "Lest we forget" or something along those lines. I may just be splitting hairs but that is my gut feeling to the phrase "Remember 9/11!"
I mean, Americans don't say "Remember Pearl Harbour!" do you? If that had become the standard phrase, do you not think it's connotation would merely have come to imply "Remember what the Japanese did to us!" instead of remembering the lives lost at Pearl Harbour?
Just seems like more of the focus is on the "event" rather than on the people who perished in it. |
This post sums up how I feel as well. Of course in Australia we also celebrate ANZAC day & all the soldiers who have lost their lives defending our country. However when we honour our war dead (in Aus at least) we don't hand out bookmarks with 'remember the vietnam war" or 'remember the battle of long tan'.
I absolutely don't mean to downplay the enormity of the tragedy or dishonour the memory of those who died on that day, but the 9/11 tragedy wasn't about people dying to defend their country, it was a terrorist attack.
And how is the message 'remember 9/11' well represented by the image of the world with people holding hands around it? That seems to be exactly what the message doesn't say. The images are happy, peaceful ones - how do they represent, or indeed have any connection at all, with the message? Is it just a case of making them pretty & appealing for children, thus helping to dumb the population down even more by reducing everything in the world to rainbow-coloured fairy floss?
I think it's more about the method....kind of like brainwashing. Certainly there is no chance that anyone will forget this tragedy. It's a phrase that I've heard often & I don't live in America. It will be in all the history books & so on, it's mainly the process of pairing it with pretty pictures & handing it out to kids that disturbs me a little.
As the OP stated, I don't know why, exactly, I feel uneasy about these bookmarks being handed out to kids. I know I haven't expressed my feelings very eloquently but it's very interesting to read other's thoughts. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| as loaded as 9/11 is, and as much as people abuse it for personal/political gain, think of how much an 8 year old knows about it. i think introducing kids to it in a peaceful and not overtly nationalist chest thumping way is a responsible thing to do. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I find the term "nine-eleven" offensive.
To take such an enormous, deliberate tragedy and reduce it to a trite, snappy little catch-phrase is, in my opinion, a tremendous show of disrespect to those families who lost loved ones.
But that's just my opinion. Apparently the mass media doesn't agree with me. |
Not to mention WWI and WWII.
Atrocious! |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchi Cowboy wrote: |
Personally, I find the term "nine-eleven" offensive.
To take such an enormous, deliberate tragedy and reduce it to a trite, snappy little catch-phrase is, in my opinion, a tremendous show of disrespect to those families who lost loved ones.
But that's just my opinion. Apparently the mass media doesn't agree with me. |
Not to mention WWI and WWII.
Atrocious! |
And how often do you hear people actually saying, "double-u double-u one", or "double-u double-u aye-aye"? |
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| That's the US for you, full of snappy terms. Every thing's about PR and sound bites. |
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KirbyMagnus
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I tihnk they look a bit tacky. But how do you explain September 11th to children? |
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