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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: To the spoilt teachers out there who choose to whine... |
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Have you considered that possibly 90% of the world's adult population is either unemployed, or engaged in back-breaking labour for pitiful wages? And here we are, earning FAT salaries (by global standards) for an extremely comfortable job. We are in a very privileged position, and anyone who chooses to complain about their work situation needs to look beyond themselves, and start appreciating what they have. It's embarrassing the way some of the teachers here moan.
Spend a few months traveling through Africa, witness how happy so many of these people are despite their sometimes shocking circumstances, and then consider your situation here in Korea.
This is not meant as a sermon. It is as much a reminder to myself to be appreciative for what I have. |
Do you have any idea what a moron you come across as? I'd sure love to have a bunch of employees like you.
Trying to insist on standards, respect, and levels of professionalism in this industry has nothing whatsoever to do with sub-standard employment conditions in other countries. Yes, I could say 'Well gee, in Canada the average employee takes 9 sick days a year so my school should consider itself luck if I only take 7. In France the average government worker works 32 hours a week so my school's lucky that I only go home an hour early'.
And I'd sound as big a sanctimonious turd as you. |
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murr
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I acknowledge that there certainly are issues that warrant complaints - a BIG example of that would be not getting paid, yes. I wrote the OP without being specific about this - my mistake.
I was just tired about, yes, this type of whining that this board is infamous for:
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a) Waaaah, that ajumma beat me out for a seat on the subway!
b) Mommmmmmy, that middle school girl shouted 'Hello' at me. Make her stop. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: To the spoilt teachers out there who choose to whine... |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| murr wrote: |
Have you considered that possibly 90% of the world's adult population is either unemployed, or engaged in back-breaking labour for pitiful wages? And here we are, earning FAT salaries (by global standards) for an extremely comfortable job. We are in a very privileged position, and anyone who chooses to complain about their work situation needs to look beyond themselves, and start appreciating what they have. It's embarrassing the way some of the teachers here moan.
Spend a few months traveling through Africa, witness how happy so many of these people are despite their sometimes shocking circumstances, and then consider your situation here in Korea.
This is not meant as a sermon. It is as much a reminder to myself to be appreciative for what I have. |
Do you have any idea what a moron you come across as? I'd sure love to have a bunch of employees like you.
Trying to insist on standards, respect, and levels of professionalism in this industry has nothing whatsoever to do with sub-standard employment conditions in other countries. Yes, I could say 'Well gee, in Canada the average employee takes 9 sick days a year so my school should consider itself luck if I only take 7. In France the average government worker works 32 hours a week so my school's lucky that I only go home an hour early'.
And I'd sound as big a sanctimonious turd as you. |
Well I think calling him a moron is a bit much.
The 'just get on with it at least you dont work in a factory' IS out-dated and naive, no elder person in my life would try and pull that old-school crap on me cos they know it'd leave me a sitting duck. And I have to say, despite my most enthusiastic descriptions of my year away I sincerely believe most people wouldnt bother with living in Korea, so how priveliged a position is it, really?
But I DO think people shouldnt moan so much, at least not in such an unentertaining dreary fashion because it brings you down. I used to really hate going to foreigner bars because everyone would sit there moaning and it was not the vibe I wanted for my one and possibly only year living abroad.
People need to channel their moaning into sticking up for themselves/forgetting their worries and not into bringing everyone around them down to their level.
So yeah, Yu Bum Suk, there are some very genuine complaints people do have, but a lot of it does come across to me as spoilt, dull pointless moaning, and Im sorry to say it is characteristic of yanks |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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No need to compare apples with oranges, just look at other oranges:
Compare ESL teaching in 95% of other countries in the world and you'll see how well Korea stacks up in terms of wages, stability, support and workplace conditions.
I remember that when quibbling about small things, especially financially. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: To the spoilt teachers out there who choose to whine... |
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| murr wrote: |
Have you considered that possibly 90% of the world's adult population is either unemployed, or engaged in back-breaking labour for pitiful wages? And here we are, earning FAT salaries (by global standards) for an extremely comfortable job. We are in a very privileged position, and anyone who chooses to complain about their work situation needs to look beyond themselves, and start appreciating what they have. It's embarrassing the way some of the teachers here moan.
Spend a few months traveling through Africa, witness how happy so many of these people are despite their sometimes shocking circumstances, and then consider your situation here in Korea.
This is not meant as a sermon. It is as much a reminder to myself to be appreciative for what I have. |
I love when people bust out this asinine argument. Anyone who truly believes and follows this "philosophy" would have the intellect of a fruit fly. By your logic, we should never strive for anything better, never care if we've been attacked, cheated or treated badly, all because someone somewhere in the world has it worse than us.
This is the same argument that's gotten us in trouble in America. All these people saying, "Sure, they're taking away X freedoms and driving the economy into the ground but we're still the "best" country in the world!" Yeah... keep telling yourself that, ya sheep. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I acknowledge that there certainly are issues that warrant complaints - a BIG example of that would be not getting paid, yes. I wrote the OP without being specific about this - my mistake.
I was just tired about, yes, this type of whining that this board is infamous for:
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a) Waaaah, that ajumma beat me out for a seat on the subway!
b) Mommmmmmy, that middle school girl shouted 'Hello' at me. Make her stop. |
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What relevance does someone's salary and working conditions have to do with their opinions on manners, rudeness, and xenophobia? Does the Filipino who lost his fingers and got no compensation doing back-breaking work have a right to complain about the ajuma who pushes past him and I don't because of our respective jobs? Does the Pakistani who labours seven days a week for a meager salary have a right to complain about rude children but not me because I'm better paid? How are people's complaints about such things connected to their salaries? |
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numazawa
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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I was just tired about, yes, this type of whining ...
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Well I hope you feel better now. Feel free to complain any time.  |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| murr wrote: |
I wrote the OP without being specific about this - my mistake.
I was just tired about, yes, this type of whining |
No, no -- no apologies necessary! Your OP is a handy cudgel for me to bludgeon my uppity Korean wage slaves into submission next time they have the audacity to whine about salaries & conditions in general. "Think of the happy starving African babies!" Hey, if they'll buy anti-beef Mad-Cow logic, they'll buy anything! Much thanks! |
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Stormy
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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OP your post reminds me of the old "eat your vegies, think of all the starving people in Africa" argument. Very silly & simplistic, but the sort of logic that might appeal to children.
I hope you never have any problems in your time in Korea & post about them because you just know people are going to directly link to & quote from this thread right? |
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ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Location: I drink therefore I am!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I acknowledge that there certainly are issues that warrant complaints - a BIG example of that would be not getting paid, yes. I wrote the OP without being specific about this - my mistake.
I was just tired about, yes, this type of whining that this board is infamous for: |
People don't like to be told what they can say and what they can't. That's why your OP was so annoying. |
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knee-highs
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Location: yes
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: To the spoilt teachers out there who choose to whine... |
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Have you considered that possibly 94.7% of the world's adult population is either unemployed, or engaged in back-breaking porn for pitiful wages? And here we are, earning PHAT friends (by global standards) for an extremely uncomfortable hand job. We are in a missionary position, and anyone who chooses to complain about their situation needs to look beyond themselves, and start appreciating what they have. It's embarrassing the way some of the teachers here moan and smoke right after they do the dirty deed.
Spend a few months being tod swift, Justin Hale, or even worse, mindmetoo, witness how messed up so many of these people are... shocking... then consider your situation here in Korea.
This is not meant as a missive. It is as much a reminder to myself to be appreciative that I am not some internet geek stuck in a one room apartment in Seattle. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Maybe the poor Africans should get citizenship and a degree from an English speaking country.
My degree cost me $40,000, 4 years of time, and a lot of studying. Now I can work in Korea. Good job Marlow. |
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murr
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Cor blimey, this is the last time I post something on Dave's. Sheesh, you guys are hardcore.
No, only joking. I'll live to see another day.
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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College Tutors Can Earn 60,000-100,000 Won Per Hour
by Yi-Young Cho and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (August 03, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2004080497078
School English Classes: Quality of Teaching Appears to Be Diminishing
Editorial, Korea Times (June 7, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2901058
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According to a recent survey, a growing number of Korean teachers of English conduct their classes in Korean only, contrary to efforts in creating an environment in which students can be better immersed in English....
The number of teachers using only English in class was 22.3 percent in 2003, but fell to 19.9 in 2004 and 17.6 last year. Meanwhile, the ratio of those using only Korean in class rose to 12.9 percent last year from 10.7 percent in 2004 and 9 percent in 2003. |
1. Elementary School Teacher: Annual Average Wage: 36,930,000 won
http://know.work.go.kr/know/sub4/result_0.asp?search_code=04520&search_name=�ʵ��б�����
2. Foreign Language Teacher: Annual Average Wage: 35,780,000 won
http://know.work.go.kr/know/sub4/result_0.asp?search_code=04518&search_name=�ܱ����
3. National (Korean) Language Teacher: Annual Average Wage: 36,940,000 won
http://know.work.go.kr/know/sub4/result_0.asp?search_code=04512&search_name=�����
Underground Economy Accounts for 30% of GDP
By Park Hyong-ki, The Korea Times (January 17, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2008/01/123_17466.html
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/080117_p01_underground.jpg |
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Morton
Joined: 06 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Pffft. I'll whine when i want. And i'll dine when i want. And i'll sure as hell 69 whenever i can. 
Just checked and the initial statement should have said 'wine'. |
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