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Fishead soup
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I like classic Surrealist films like, "Une Chiend Andalour" and ,"L Age'or"
Both of these Classic Surrealist films were directed by Luis Buniel and Salvadore Dali. In Une Chiend Andalour the opening scene is a womens eyeball being sliced open by a straight razor. Possibly one of the most shocking scenes in film history.
The Opening scene of L Age'or features Jesus Christ exiting an orgy holding his groin in pain.
These films incited riots. They were made around 1930.
The first time I saw these films was in a privately run movie cinema run in someones house. The Persons name is Reg Hartt he's infamous in Toronto. He plasters the city with posters. He's also known to have a really bad temper and throw people out who are not interested in his lectures. |
Er, that's "Un Chien Andalou". |
If that's all you have to add then it's obvious you know nothing about Surrealism. Possibly one of those people who equate heavy metal album covers to Surrealism. |
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Stevie_B
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| Stevie_B wrote: |
| Fishead soup wrote: |
I like classic Surrealist films like, "Une Chiend Andalour" and ,"L Age'or"
Both of these Classic Surrealist films were directed by Luis Buniel and Salvadore Dali. In Une Chiend Andalour the opening scene is a womens eyeball being sliced open by a straight razor. Possibly one of the most shocking scenes in film history.
The Opening scene of L Age'or features Jesus Christ exiting an orgy holding his groin in pain.
These films incited riots. They were made around 1930.
The first time I saw these films was in a privately run movie cinema run in someones house. The Persons name is Reg Hartt he's infamous in Toronto. He plasters the city with posters. He's also known to have a really bad temper and throw people out who are not interested in his lectures. |
Er, that's "Un Chien Andalou". |
If that's all you have to add then it's obvious you know nothing about Surrealism. Possibly one of those people who equate heavy metal album covers to Surrealism. |
Ah - I see. When you got the title of the film - as well as the the names of both the director and writer - wrong, you were being surreal...!
I was just putting you right on the title, should anyone want to follow up on your info. However, I shall bow to your superior knowledge on surrealism as you're clearly an expert of some stripe.
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Movies like the Godfather raised the idea of a gangster tormented by conscience, and paved the way for the Sopranos, and American Gangster etc. |
One of my brilliant professors, Marjorie Garber, pointed out that Shakespeare's Richard III could be the start of the gangster drama.
Also, Un Chien Andalou is great, I agree. Some short films that are amazing but sort of horrific are by director Evgeni Bauer.
I forgot to add Faust and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari as wonderful films. |
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Nomadder
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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peppermint
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| Movies like the Godfather raised the idea of a gangster tormented by conscience, and paved the way for the Sopranos, and American Gangster etc. |
One of my brilliant professors, Marjorie Garber, pointed out that Shakespeare's Richard III could be the start of the gangster drama.
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I can see the progression, certainly, though I'd be inclined to argue, that as nothing was done with that idea for over 250 years, perhaps it was a false start. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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pointed out that Shakespeare's Richard III could be the start of the gangster drama.
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If we're looking for forerunners, I'd say Aeschylus got in the first shot with his 'Clytemnestra' a couple of thousand years earlier. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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I just finished watching a terrific example of an old movie that I think would play today with no changes. 'Pickup on South Street', 1953, with Richard Widmark as a 3-time loser pickpocket who stumbles on a big score; Jean Peters as a...I can't say *beep* because that isn't clear, but she's certainly a *beep* who's been around the block a few times but has a heart of gold; and the great Thelma Ritter as a stoolie. The there isn't a helicopter in sight but the plot just keeps getting thicker.
AND it's in black & white, which ALL movies should be unless color is absolutely vital to the story ('Wizard of Oz' comes to mind).
I found my copy at Techno Mart, but if they have it, it should be other places. It says it's from the Criterion Collection, but it looks to me like it's a Korean rip off--the credits are missing. But the quality is great--as crisp as a new potato chip.
Challenge: Buy it for W3000 and if you don't agree that it's a great movie I'll buy you a pitcher of beer to compensate for your expenses. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: |
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pointed out that Shakespeare's Richard III could be the start of the gangster drama.
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If we're looking for forerunners, I'd say Aeschylus got in the first shot with his 'Clytemnestra' a couple of thousand years earlier. |
I'd have to disagree just because I stated it as being a gangster film in which tons of people are murdered, the protagonist is trying to get to the top, disabling everyone in his/her way; doesn't Clytemnestra only kill Agamemnon? I'm thinking forward to Scarface-like proportions. |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: |
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AND it's in black & white, which ALL movies should be unless color is absolutely vital to the story |
I completely agree! |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Clearly, a woman of discernment. 
Again, what book is Marilyn reading? I can't read the title.
(Edited to add a missing 'n') |
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gypsyfish
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Some old movies are great, just as some new movies are great. A lot from both categories have been mentioned. I'll add The Maltese Falcon, Gunga Din, and Out of the Past to the great oldies group. Two Gene Hackman films from the '70s (Is that old? Doesn't seem old to me.) are The Conversation and Night Moves.
I think an oldie is a movie that you didn't see for the first time in a theater (unless it was a nostalgia movie house), so the Hackman movies aren't oldies.  |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Clearly, a woman of discernment.
Again, what book is Marilyn reading? I can't read the title.
(Edited to add a missing 'n') |
Joyce's Ulysses...I actually think this photo is really funny because the book is opened towards the end, so it has to be either the Ithaca or Penelope chapter she is reading, the two chapters in which I can't believe she understood a word! But she is at the end, so of course she must have read up until that point! |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Some old movies are great, just as some new movies are great. |
I totally agree. It isn't age of movie that makes a difference. It is quality. There were just as many crappy old movies as there are crappy new movies. Quality is rare. My argument is that people should not spurn old movies just because they are old.
I will admit that I went through a phase when I was about 11 when I said I would not go to a movie unless it was in color (this was a few years ago). It wasn't until I'd grown up a bit that I changed my view on this and developed a bit of selectivity based on other criteria than just color vs b & w.
Why is b & w better? In my opinion, it helps me suspend disbelief. When the roaring lion comes up on the screen (or the cheesy plane attached to a globe), I know I'm in another world and surrender to the experience. I will also admit to being susceptible to the magic of live actors on a stage and am able to become completely absorbed in their world.
In some ways, I am sorry that sound was ever invented for movies. There is something to be said for a purely visual medium that transcends spoken language. Charlie Chaplin was the last actor who could communicate directly to everyone in the world. |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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In some ways, I am sorry that sound was ever invented for movies. There is something to be said for a purely visual medium that transcends spoken language. Charlie Chaplin was the last actor who could communicate directly to everyone in the world. |
I totally agree on this as well! With silent films, they actors really had to act to convey what they were putting out. The emotion in the face, the slight of hand acting, and the choreography of the steps all had a place in the film. The makeup was great too because of the shading of the B&W...I always love the women's lips and how they form that pouty bow.
Lilian Gish: 
Mary Pickford: 
Richard Barthelmess (handsome devil):  |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Do you like old movies? |
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And all these movie lists: They rank movies from the '20s and '30s and '40s.. they're all crap. They were probably OK at the time, but really, if they were re-released now would anyone watch them? NO, because they're rubbish. Nostalgia, nostalgia, nos-fuc-kinstalgia. Good for the time, sure, but compared to the stuff produced in the last 20 years? Not a chance.
Well those are my thoughts.
What about you?
Old movies: Love them? Think they're slightly better than modern movies? Put up with them? Be a pseudo-intellectual and pretend to recognize them for their artistic merits whilst secretly not enjoying them? Think old movies are over-rated? hate them? think they're worse than Chairman Mao? |
Oh my god, are you for real??
Let me explain to you why OLD MOVIES ARE GREAT!
First of all, it opens a world to history! You can see a time which is erased, it�s the closest you will ever get! New movies today set in the past are not movies of the past set in that present!
You can see Old famous stars of the past actors like Clark gable, Douglas Fairbanks! Betty Davies! These were some of the biggest stars in those days; it�s good to see how they shined, or why they were famous!
Movies are all about imagination! Not only for the people making the movies But also for the people watching it!
I LOVE OLD movies! And I watch them all the time!
I imagine the time, take notice of the props! The clothes, the way people spoke! In those days the sets where furnished with the best things so it�s amazing to see what was hot at the time, not to mention in the past there was no CGI! Actors where more trained in method acting and a lot of them are the originals! Young Hollywood of today and the 80's etc were emulating them! Not to mention they don�t make movies like they did in the past also... westerns! Ww2 movies, musicals, singing and dancing...
the list goes on and on! some old movies jsut cant be beat! not even close!!
Naaa sorry dude, the reason you don�t like old movies is simple
You have no class! No taste and no sense of style! you lack culture!
Guess you are going to tell me how the hell anybody can enjoy music from the sixties! Or art from the 15thcentury???...
Sorry dude! You need to get some culture! Feel sorry for you really. |
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