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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| boatofcar wrote: |
Demophobe, as soon as you can tell me where I can get a laptop that functional in that form factor at that price point, I'll start listening to your pathetic attempts at tech snobbery. |
Tech snobbery. Ha!
You certainly seem full. I guess I am not as hungry as some.
Anyways...yes, small, cute, 'low' price....but functional? Not really. Can't do much on it for word processing as the keyboard is pretty much a decoration. Plays movies, surfs the net, plays MP3's...groovy. I do that on my 5 year old PDA.
You are paying for the size, that's all. There is nothing going on under the hood, it's just small. It's a step backwards in every other aspect except the 'form factor'. That hardware in any other environment is called trash. I have a P3 800 waiting to be a keychain.
I do see the need for this kind of product (in my classroom, as a file mule/playback device.), but not in this pitiful incarnation.
But, package it up pretty...Mac have been milking that teat for years and there remain no shortage of suckers. |
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Your 5 year old PDA can run XP and had 3 USB ports, a webcam, and can run Skype? Tell me, exactly how well does a laptop need to run Crysis in your eyes before it's considered not garbage? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Your 5 year old PDA can run XP and had 3 USB ports, a webcam, and can run Skype? Tell me, exactly how well does a laptop need to run Crysis in your eyes before it's considered not garbage? |
Laptops aren't gaming monsters, so I have pretty low standards. Running XP is no biggie, I'm afraid. It was released in 2000, so the EeEePc is still in it's comfort zone.
Now...do me a favor...power up your little wimpy, plug in a few USB devices, fire up the webcam, get on Skype and open a couple of Office apps...see how it feels to suffer. Type an essay on it. Play a game released in the last 3 years. 1.3GB left after your XP install. But yes...you have all those USB ports. Well, it does seem to defeat the purpose though...having to carry around an external storage solution. I wonder how having an external drive punishes that battery? I mean, there really is no choice, right. Can't do much with 1.36GB these days.
My main point is (and I'm surprised you haven't picked up on this; I think you are too busy fighting for some cause) is that the machine, while moving in some positive directions, has far too many weaknesses that needn't be. Trade offs galore; the eEEepC is an exercise in extreme compromise. One wonders when it ceases to be a "computer" and takes on a more suitable moniker; like the PDA, PDP, PMP and such; they aren't really computers, and nor is this pipsqueak.
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There is a reason it is 'only' $300. Yeah...ASUS just felt like skipping profits and the idea meting out crippled products to the consumer, only to make a small alteration and call it the "702". They wanted to give back to the consuming public for once and really hit a home run with this most generous offering.
Meh. Like I said...it's just ASUS copying a page from the Macbook, studied in the Jobs' school of packaging and marketing. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Man, why is everyone raving about this little piece of junk anyways?
4GB, 900MHz Celeron, 512MB? XP Home. Wow...1998 hardware on 2000 software. It's crap...small, light, cute crap for 400,000+.
Eat up folks. |
Actually, its the "Recycled Celeron" wave. The size is great for students, good enough to play Quake3 and do a little video conferencing. Infinitely more useful than an iPhone and cheaper.
Besides, there's no excuse for buying a 17" Celeron briefcase, easily the worst decision anyone could ever make.
PS. How is this straight out of Apple's design? Apple has never made an affordable compact notebook and never will. |
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cazador83
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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well, I decided to go to Technomart to at least just look at it and check it out, but lo and behold, it was CLOSED.
wtf. apparently, the tuesday of every 2nd and 4th week of the month is a holiday for the employees. |
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betchay
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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Horangi Munshin
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like it. 18 month contract. Not clear about the full costs per month.
I considered one of these. I really needed something small but didn't realize just how small they are till I saw one of those Kohjinsha's in a store. Way too small to type on comfortably. I bought a 10.6" laptop off a friend instead. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
Actually, its the "Recycled Celeron" wave. The size is great for students, good enough to play Quake3 and do a little video conferencing. Infinitely more useful than an iPhone and cheaper.
Besides, there's no excuse for buying a 17" Celeron briefcase, easily the worst decision anyone could ever make.
PS. How is this straight out of Apple's design? Apple has never made an affordable compact notebook and never will. |
The size isn't the problem: in fact, that is the strong point.
Quake 3 was playable on a PDA since 2005.
Buying a large celeron notebook makes no more sense than buying a small one. This is the point: Big crap or small crap...its all crap.
They ripped off the Mac idea of putting no-big-deals in attractive little packages.
I am not anti-tech; far from it, I love gadgets and the like. However, I don't like hoodwinking or taking advantage of a hole in the market with an offering that barely qualifies as the filler for that hole.
This "notebook" is not really useful. It is small, cheap and has some good points, but as I said before, they are only the remnants after the battle of compromise. Call it before it's time, immature, rushed to market, ill-conceived or just a cash grab...the product is a half-baked effort that comes up short as a "computer". |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand all the hate for the EEE. Obviously many people like it, use it often, and appreciate the design. When it came out, it sold out almost everywhere... and for a while it was still hard to find stock. These things are popular.
But, instead of shrugging and saying 'different strokes for different folks', some people choose to deride the EEE for various reasons that generally revolve around 'it's not for me'.
I have one, and I think it's super. I can keep it on me pretty much all the time.. surfing the 'net while riding the subway makes trips on the subway go by really quickly. It's great for coffee shops, the train, airplanes, while travelling, etc. It can play games, skype (skyping on the subway is neat), surf the internet, give presentations, and do pretty much everything a normal laptop can do except for play (super modern, fancy) games.
I don't find the small keyboard (you can always get a 5 dollar external for more serious work) too bad, nor the screen resolution (with a couple of nifty utilities and Firefox 3, which zooms webpages beautifully).
It's not a replacement for a full computer... as such, it only needs enough processor power to play DVDrips. And it does.
If anything, my problem with it is that the processor is too fast/power hungry. I wouldn't want a bigger form factor, but I would want it to be a little more battery friendly. (I get about 3 hours per charge on mine). Then again, you can buy hi-capacity batteries on e-bay that will take it to 5-6 hours, which is plenty... |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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My "hating" was to counter all the fawning. It does 'work' for some people, but it really isn't what it could or should be.
Having said that, everything I have outlined this far is absolutely true. |
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| IlIlNine wrote: |
I don't understand all the hate for the EEE. Obviously many people like it, use it often, and appreciate the design. When it came out, it sold out almost everywhere... and for a while it was still hard to find stock. These things are popular.
But, instead of shrugging and saying 'different strokes for different folks', some people choose to deride the EEE for various reasons that generally revolve around 'it's not for me'.
I have one, and I think it's super. I can keep it on me pretty much all the time.. surfing the 'net while riding the subway makes trips on the subway go by really quickly. It's great for coffee shops, the train, airplanes, while travelling, etc. It can play games, skype (skyping on the subway is neat), surf the internet, give presentations, and do pretty much everything a normal laptop can do except for play (super modern, fancy) games.
I don't find the small keyboard (you can always get a 5 dollar external for more serious work) too bad, nor the screen resolution (with a couple of nifty utilities and Firefox 3, which zooms webpages beautifully).
It's not a replacement for a full computer... as such, it only needs enough processor power to play DVDrips. And it does.
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But...but....Demophobe said it was crap! Who can I believe, someone who's never spend 10 minutes with one or someone who owns one? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| boatofcar wrote: |
But...but....Demophobe said it was crap! Who can I believe, someone who's never spend 10 minutes with one or someone who owns one? |
Extremes are to be disregarded. Don't believe the hyper-skeptic, nor the guy who bought into it. But to be fair, which may be more objective?
The specs don't lie. Best to rely on those rather than adhering to things like "it can" or "it's able"...this is marketing babble.
Oh yeah...don't make assumptions. Many people hate things that they own or have used, for various reasons. Shopping drunk, etc...
I have no doubt that for some, the EeeEpC will suffice, but that doesn't make it "good" from a number of viewpoints, all of which are objective, unlike an opinion or experience. |
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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So saying something is "good" or "bad" based on a set of abstract specifications isn't objective?
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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So saying something is "good" or "bad" based on a set of abstract specifications isn't objective?
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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So saying something is "good" or "bad" based on a set of abstract specifications isn't objective?
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