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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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By the way Hizzbollah and Iran have been killing Americans for a long time.
I wonder ought the US just accept it? It is an important question. Right now the anti war movement says accept it or if you don't like it give in to their demands.
And to this day Hizzbollah also sells drugs and counterfeits US currency.
Does the US just have to take it?
Well the answer is no the US ought not accept it. |
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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| Not too mention they have grown so accustomed to overly generous , unsustainable welfare states that were made possible only because they didnt have to pay for defense. |
What is really strange about Europe/Canada is that people have decided to stop having babies. Entire ethnicities/nationalities are on their way to the historical dustbin. Korea and Japan too. |
Entire white ethnicities/nationalities.
Not strange when you understand how it came about.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea and Japan aren't white and have among the lowest birthrates on earth. Singapore is similarly screwed. It came about because life got too expensive to have more than one kid. Could you send two kids to hagwan? 3? How about in Canada? You earn 40g/yr and the government jacks 50%. Now you have 20grand, or less than 420$/week. The cities aren't built worth a shit, so you need a car. It is cold as hell so energy bills are high. There is no conspiracy. When non-whites move to the West their birthrates tend to decline as well. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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I just read your post on 'Preparing for the worst' and I agree any attack on Iran will lead to many sleepless nights. My question for you is, do you not think a nuclear Iran could be worse?
Aside from the fact that a nuclear Iran can hold the entire Middle East (and their oil) and potentially even Europe hostage to the threat of a nuclear attack. They can also go on the offense and do all of the things Eli Lake highlighted, knowing full well that any potential retaliation would lead to a nuclear attack (on Israel, on Saudi Arabia, Dubai, UAE, Turkey, etc)? |
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/06/preparing-for-1.html#more
But Iran won't be able to go on offense if the US has this
http://radio.weblogs.com/0123486/myImages/newpix/jul23.04/9.19.04/12.19.04/2.24.05/hypervelocity_rods.jpg
Of course Iran' government isn't crazy? Are they?
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July 13, 1991
Japanese Translator of Rushdie Book Found Slain
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN
TOKYO, July 12 -- The Japanese translator of "The Satanic Verses," by Salman Rushdie, was found slain today at a university northeast of Tokyo.
The translator, Hitoshi Igarashi, 44 years old, was an assistant professor of comparative culture who reportedly studied in Iran in the 1970's. The police said he was stabbed several times on Thursday night and left in the hallway outside his office at Tsukuba University.
It is the second time this month that someone involved with the production of the novel by Mr. Rushdie, the Indian-born author condemned to death by the Iranian authorities two years ago, has been assaulted. On July 3, Ettore Capriolo, 61, the Italian translator of "The Satanic Verses," was stabbed in his apartment in Milan. |
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-translator.html |
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andz22
Joined: 08 Jun 2008
Location: Wales
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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So many small minded yanks on here,
1. Al-qaeda is a made up group of "terrorists" whom the US government made up.
2. Has anyone been to Iran? I have.. and what a beautiful country it is, unlike the Craphole, also known as the gun toting loonies!
3. there are more Saudis fighting americans so why all the hate against iran..
4. No truth exists about iran supplying weapons, oh right because if the suits in washington says they did then I guess they did!
5. Israel has no right to be in the middle east and SHOULD be wiped off the face of the earth.. or since the USA loves them so much why dont they move them all there? oh thats right they wouldn't dare do that!
6. US has over 50,000 nukes, Israel has over 10,000, Iran CANNOT even make ONE!!! if theres any countries which should have their nuclear facilities attacked its the americans and the corrupt israelis..
let me tell you now if israel do decide to bomb iran, I can promise you the Holocaust will be brought to reality!! |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| andz22 wrote: |
| So many small minded yanks on here, |
Hey, thanks for the contribution. |
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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Korea and Japan aren't white and have among the lowest birthrates on earth. Singapore is similarly screwed. It came about because life got too expensive to have more than one kid. Could you send two kids to hagwan? 3? How about in Canada? You earn 40g/yr and the government jacks 50%. Now you have 20grand, or less than 420$/week. The cities aren't built worth a shit, so you need a car. It is cold as hell so energy bills are high. There is no conspiracy. When non-whites move to the West their birthrates tend to decline as well. |
"Life got too expensive to have more than one kid" --- "there is no conspiracy."
I beg to differ. Who runs the Western world's governments?
All one has to do to see and know that the powers behind the curtain control our governments is look closely at what happened during the Ron Paul campaign. He was the only non-communist candidate and he was all but ignored by the Group A controlled media. He is against the Group A controlled Federal Reserve, against Group A's IRS gestapo that collects the money for Group A and is against Group A's war in Iraq. A thinking person would think that he would have been offered as a alternative candidate if there was no conspiracy behind what is happening in politics | government. But RP is everything those involved in the conspiracy don't want.
Who controls the Western world's central bank and has control over the printing of fiat currency? Who drains the economies to pay for these wars we fight for Israel? How many trillions so far and next Iran? Who inflates the currency driving up the price of oil which then drives up the price of everything else? It sure the hell isn't you or me. But it sure the hell is you and me who pay for it. That's what drives up the price of living.
As for Korea, I see young children in strollers every where. There are new elementary schools being built and expanded everywhere one looks.
And there has been this propaganda shoved down white people's throats my entire life about how we need to only have one child. That's communism. Who's been shoving communism down are throat since the 1960s?
There is no conspiracy? Wake up and smell the coffee. If there wasn't a conspiracy, with the law of averages, at least some things would go our way.
Everything is going against us. Why is that? Accident? Ron Paul not on the ballot is just accident? 100 year war McCain is a better choice for Americans than Ron Paul?
You believe that and it is you who is wearing the tin foil hat.
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tiger fancini
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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F**K Iran. If they can't behave then it they will get what they deserve. And another enemy of the US will bite the dust forever.
If Iran behaves themselves then they won't have a problem , if they don't then in the end then they will get hurt - badly.
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With this line of thinking, and supposing the US actually went through with this, wouldn't this create more enemies of the US? The US ought not to do this. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
F**K Iran. If they can't behave then it they will get what they deserve. And another enemy of the US will bite the dust forever.
If Iran behaves themselves then they won't have a problem , if they don't then in the end then they will get hurt - badly.
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With this line of thinking, and supposing the US actually went through with this, wouldn't this create more enemies of the US? The US ought not to do this. |
well the US ought not tolerate a nuclear weapons state that is also terror state .
If Iran has nukes then they have to quit terrorism.
Well Iran ought to quit their war .Why ought the US accept it?
Iran can have nuclear weapons but they can not have the strategic benefits of possessing them. |
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Zenas
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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well the US ought not tolerate a nuclear weapons state that is also terror state.
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Who made the US the Decider of such things?
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| If Iran has nukes then they have to quit terrorism. |
What terrorism? And does that hold true for the Mossad's nation? And the US? The US - in the school of the Americas - trained terrorists. That's just fine and dandy, but Iran has to stop fighting an enemy that invaded a neighbor nation and is threatening to attack - nuke in several locations - Iran next?
Get real would ya.
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| Well Iran ought to quit their war .Why ought the US accept it? |
What war is Iran fighting? Why should Iran accept USrael in Iraq w/o a fight?
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| Iran can have nuclear weapons but they can not have the strategic benefits of possessing them. |
But USrael can?
What blatant hypocrisy. You must be a US government shill.
How much do they pay you to post this crap?
I hope Iran - who are not Arabs - acquires nukes and bombs the shite out of Israel.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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="Zenas"]
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well the US ought not tolerate a nuclear weapons state that is also terror state.
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| Who made the US the Decider of such things? |
the US is responsible for its own security.
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| If Iran has nukes then they have to quit terrorism. |
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| What terrorism? And does that hold true for the Mossad's nation? |
You will lose on that argument. IF one goes into detail.
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And the US? The US - in the school of the Americas - trained terrorists. That's just fine and dandy, |
the US made mistakes but the US was fighting the cold war which was just.
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but Iran has to stop fighting an enemy that invaded an neighboring nation and has threatened to attack Iran next? |
Saddam shot at US planes. Tried to kill a US president incited violence against the US . Continued the threaten Kuwait.Wanted gulf oil to blackmail the US. And he supported terror. Intended to regain WMDs, re start his nuclear program , kill of the Kurds and re invade Kuwait.
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Get real would ya. |
Ok you are 9-11 conspiracy theorist and a Nazi.
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What war is Iran fighting? Why should Iran accept USrael in Iraq w/o a fight? |
What war is Iran fighting?
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Tuesday, October 09, 2007
Iran's Timeline of Terror
I followed the link at the end of the article to his essay published September 11, 2007 at The Claremont Institute.
"Iran's Proxy War Against America, (PDF)" covers the evidence of Iranian links to al Qaeda and other terrorist groups regardless of their Sunni, Shiite or Palestinian sympathies. ......
November 4, 1979
Fifty-two American citizens are taken hostage by �students� loyal to Ayatollah Khomeini. They are held for more than a year, until January 20, 1981. The kidnappings are part of the Iranian revolution, which serves as a model for Sunni terrorist groups like Ayman al-Zawahiri�s Egyptian Islamic Jihad.
April 18, 1983
Iran�s master terrorist, Imad Mugniyah, orchestrates the first significant Islamist suicide attack against America: the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. Establishing a modus operandi for terrorists in the years to come, the attacker utilizes a van packed with explosives.
October 23, 1983
Using massive truck bombs, Hezbollah�s suicide bombers simultaneously attack the U.S. Marine Barracks and a housing complex for French Paratroopers in Beirut, Lebanon. Al-Qaeda would later adopt simultaneous suicide bombings as its preferred method for committing attacks.
December 12, 1983
Iranian-backed terrorists bomb the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait. A close relative of Imad Mugniyah is convicted by a Kuwaiti court and sentenced to death for his role in the bombing. Other attackers,
also supported by Iran, are imprisoned. The terrorists come to be known as the �Kuwait 17� or �Dawa 17.� 75 iran�s proxy war against america
March 16, 1984
William Buckley, the CIA�s station chief in Beirut, is kidnapped and later tortured-to-death by Imad Mugniyah�s Hezbollah. Buckley�s kidnapping is one in a series of Hezbollah�s kidnappings from the early 1980s through the early 1990s. Dozens of Americans are kidnapped and Hezbollah frequently demands an exchange for the Kuwait 17. Hezbollah�s kidnappings lead to the biggest scandal of President Ronald Reagan�s tenure, the Iran-Contra affair, after the Reagan administration agrees to exchange arms for the hostages.
September 20, 1984
Hezbollah terrorists strike the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut with a truck bomb.
December 3, 1984
Mugniyah�s operatives hijack Kuwait Airways Flight 221. The hijackers attempt to barter for the release of the Kuwait 17.
June 14, 1985
Mugniyah�s terrorists hijack TWA Flight 847. Once again, the hijackers attempt to barter for the release of the Kuwait 17. When the hijackers� demands are denied, they beat and kill a U.S. Navy serviceman, Robert Dean Stethem, who happened to be on the flight. Incredibly, Germany granted parole to one of the hijackers in December 2005.
1990
According to Ali Mohamed, a top al-Qaeda operative in U.S. custody, Ayman al-Zawahiri�s Egyptian Islamic Jihad partners with Iran in a planned coup attempt in Egypt. Tehran trains EIJ terrorists for the coup attempt, which is ultimately aborted. Iran also pays al-Zawahiri $2 million for sensitive information concerning 76 national security studies the Egyptian Government�s plans to raid several islands in the Persian Gulf.
1991
Iran and Sudan, then the world�s only Islamist states, forge a strategic alliance. They begin to jointly export terrorism throughout the world.
April 1991
Hassan al-Turabi hosts the first Popular Arab Islamic Conference in Sudan. The conference provides a forum for disparate forces in the Middle East who oppose American presence in the region to come together. Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iraqi and Iranian representatives all attend the meeting.
February 26, 1993
Terrorists connected to al-Qaeda and the global terror network bomb the World Trade Center using a rental truck packed with explosives. The bombers� colleagues plot a follow-on attack against landmarks in the NYC area. There is no known evidence that Iran had a hand in these events. It is clear, however, that several of the plotters had ties to Hassan al-Turabi�s Sudan. Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the spiritual leader of the two leading Egyptian terrorist groups (both of which will join al- Qaeda) and who was living in the New York metropolitan area, is later convicted for his involvement in the attacks. Reports surface that he and his organization received financial assistance from Iran.
1993
According to Ali Mohamed, Imad Mugniyah and Osama bin Laden meet in Sudan. Bin Laden expresses his desire to model al- Qaeda after Hezbollah. In particular, bin Laden expresses interest in Mugniyah�s bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in 1983 77 iran�s proxy war against america and similar attacks. They agree to work together against America and the West.
1993
According to Jamal al-Fadl, an al-Qaeda operative in U.S. custody, bin Laden meets a leading Iranian sheikh in Sudan. The purpose of the meeting is to put aside any differences between their competing brands of Islam in order to come together against their common enemy: the West. The meeting is just the first of several between bin Laden and Iran�s spiritual leaders.
1993
Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps train al- Qaeda�s terrorists in camps in Sudan, Lebanon and Iran. Among the terrorists trained are some of bin Laden�s most trusted lieutenants and al-Qaeda�s future leaders.
1993
Egypt and Algeria cut off diplomatic ties with Iran. Both nations accuse Iran and Sudan of supporting Sunni terrorism, including terrorist groups affiliated with al-Qaeda. Egypt will blame Iran for supporting both the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Group throughout the 1990�s.
November 13, 1995
Two bombs are detonated, nearly simultaneously, at the Saudi National Guard training facility in Riyadh, killing five Americans. The suspects are captured and confess to being inspired by Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden denies responsibility, but praises the attack. It is likely al-Qaeda�s first terrorist attack inside the Saudi Kingdom. 78 national security studies
November 19, 1995
An al-Qaeda suicide bomber destroys the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. The CIA�s Bob Baer later learns that Mugniyah�s deputy assisted al-Qaeda in the attack and that one of bin Laden�s top terrorists remained in contact with Mugniyah�s offi ce months afterwards.
May 1996
Bin Laden is expelled from Sudan, but the 9/11 Commission reports that �intelligence indicates the persistance of contacts� between al-Qaeda and Iran even after al-Qaeda�s relocation to Afghanistan. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda maintain an ongoing presence in Sudan, despite not being �formally� welcome.
June 21 - 23, 1996
Tehran hosts a summit for the leading Sunni and Shiite terrorist groups. It is announced that the terrorists will continue to focus on U.S. interests thoughout the region. Mugniyah, bin Laden, and a leading member of the EIJ reportedly forge the �Committee of Three,� under the leadership of Iran�s intelligence chief, to focus their joint efforts against American targets.
June 25, 1996
Hezbollah terrorists, operating under the direction of senior Iranian officials, bomb the Khobar Towers apartment complex in Saudi Arabia. Contemporaneous reports by both the State Department and the CIA note that al-Qaeda is also suspected of playing a role. The 9/11 Commission would later find �indirect evidence� of al-Qaeda�s involvement. The evidence includes intelligence indicating that al-Qaeda was planning a similar operation in the months prior and that bin Laden was congratulated by other al-Qaeda operatives, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, shortly after the attack. 79 iran�s proxy war against america
July 1996
According to Bob Baer, the Egyptian Islamic Group�an ally of bin Laden�s al-Qaeda�is in contact with Mugniyah.
1996
According to Bob Baer, there is �incontrovertible evidence� of a meeting between bin Laden and a representative of the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS).
August 7, 1998
Al-Qaeda�s suicide bombers simultaneously destroy the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. It is al-Qaeda�s most spectacular attack prior to 9/11. The attack is clearly modeled on Hezbollah�s attacks in the early 1980s. Indeed, the al-Qaeda terrorists responsible were trained by Hezbollah in the early 1990s. There is evidence that Iran also provided explosives used in the attack.
October - November 2000
Imad Mugniyah and his lieutenants personally escort several of the 9/11 muscle hijackers out of Saudi Arabia on flights to Beirut and Iran. In all, eight to ten of the hijackers travel through Iran on the way to 9/11.
December 2000
Ramzi Binalshibh, al-Qaeda�s key point man for the 9/11 plot, applies for visa at the Iranian Embassy in Berlin. His visa application is approved.
January 31, 2001
Ramzi Binalshibh arrives at Tehran International airport. He does not return to Germany until February 28, 2001. The purpose of his trip to Iran remains a mystery. The 9/11 Commission does not mention Binalshibh�s trip to Iran. 80 national security studies
Early September 2001
Binalshibh flees to Iran shortly before the 9/11 attacks.
September 11, 2001
Nineteen al-Qaeda hijackers execute al-Qaeda�s largest operation to date, killing nearly 3000 Americans. Many of the details surrounding the plot, including who financed the attack, remain a mystery.
October 2001
According to a high-level Taliban detainee at Gitmo, Iran offers the Taliban Government assistance in retreating from Afghanistan.
October 2001
Numerous press reports indicate that Iran aids the retreat of hundreds of al-Qaeda and Taliban members from Afghanistan. Some al-Qaeda operatives enjoy safehaven in Iran to this day. Among them is Said al-Adel, who is reportedly the third highest ranking member of al-Qaeda and was trained by Hezbollah during the early 1990s, and Saad bin Laden, Osama�s heir apparent.
April 11, 2002
Al-Qaeda carries out the first attack ordered by bin Laden since 9/11: a suicide bomber destroys a synagogue in Tunisia, killing nineteen people. According to NBC News, Saad bin Laden contacted the cell responsible for the attack from his safehaven in Iran. Suleiman Abu Ghaith, bin Laden�s spokesman, also claims al-Qaeda�s responsibility for the attack from his abode in Iran.
End of 2002 - Spring 2003
According to former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, senior al-Qaeda leaders discuss the acquisition of nuclear weapons from their safe haven in Iran. In fact, al-Qaeda�s �nuclear 81 iran�s proxy war against america chief,� Abdel al-Aziz al-Masri, is one of many senior terrorists living in Iran.
May 12, 2003
Under orders from Saif al-Adel and Saad bin Laden, who are operating from Iran, al-Qaeda�s terrorists simultaneously strike three separate housing complexes in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. Another al- Qaeda agent thought to be responsible for the attack flees to Iran before he can be captured.
May 16, 2003
One dozen al-Qaeda bombers attack several targets in Casablanca, Morocco. Saad bin Laden, living in Iran, is reportedly in contact with the cell shortly before the attack.
2004 � present
Iran supplies advanced IED technology to the insurgents in Iraq. There is growing evidence of Iranian support for both Sunni and Shiite insurgency groups in Iraq. Iran continues to harbor senior al-Qaeda leaders as the terrorist network reorganizes.
January 20, 2007
IRGC and Hezbollah terrorists kill five American soldiers in Karbala, Iraq
January 2007 � present
Numerous IRGC and Hezbollah terrorists, who are responsible for arming and training terrorist groups in Iraq, are captured by American and Iraqi forces. 82 national security studies. |
http://demediacraticnation.blogspot.com/2007/10/irans-timeline-of-terror.html
Well cause Al Qaeda and Irans' war is illegitmate.
Cause Al Qaeda is a fascist hate group like the klan
Cause mideast states ought to accept Israel unless they can stop persecuting their minorities and accept liberal democracy.
Yep cause they aren't ought to get Iran. They just want Iran
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What blatant hypocrisy. You must be a US government shill.
How much do they pay you to post this crap? |
Ah just like Igothisguitar. figures.
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I hope Iran - who are not Arabs - acquires nukes and bombs the shite out of Israel.
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Of course you do .
But I am glad you post. that way I don't have to prove your kind exists. |
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