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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| for me it is almost the same effect when you purposely dilute a population. |
Like what happened to the native Americans or native Australians? Westerners feel threatened by the growth and unity of China and thus try to undermine it by saying "you should give Tibet independence" or "you should give Turkestan independence". Will the Lakota ever be so lucky in America?
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| The Uighurs are not trying to dominate the Han Chinese. |
Islam seeks to dominate and then snuff out whatever non-muslim culture it comes into contact with. Uighurs do not simply "want to be left alone". They have their eye on the bigger prize of infiltrating and finally dominating. That is the programme of Islam this century and ever since Mohammed ordered to kill all infidels.
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| The idea of saying a certain people are all the same is a form of racism. |
But the all encompassing monster of Islam swallows and subsumes everything into its belly before gradually ensuring unity and conformity. Ultimately to the most extreme interpretation.
The goal of Islam is to unite the globe into one obedient, bowing, chanting vibrating Muhammed fan club. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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| Can you cite one recent example of an "Islamic" goverment invading a non-islamic country in order to increase it's territory? |
They invade by the back door under the guise of assylum or economic migration. Europe is virtually under siege, for example. Once on the inside, they multiply like flies before reaching a tipping point- perhaps 10-20% of the population. Then by the mass action and mass-mind that is the beast of islam, they are able to destabilise or attack their unsuspecting host and ultimately demand sharia law , partition, or Islamic govt. France. Holland. And so on.
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| Do you have any evidence of a unified pan-islamic attempt to expand their territories? |
Thats like asking if army ants have dishonorable intentions. Look at any country of the world. Any country with a muslim minority..has a muslim problem.
The only countries without problems, are those which a) have no muslims or b) are muslim, thus all resistance has been crushed and the people have fallen under the irreversible backward oppression that is Islam. History shows the inexhorable march of Islam: infiltrating, adgitating, then finally conquering every land it touches. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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| Can you cite one recent example of an "Islamic" goverment invading a non-islamic country in order to increase it's territory? |
They invade by the back door under the guise of assylum or economic migration. Europe is virtually under siege, for example. Once on the inside, they multiply like flies before reaching a tipping point- perhaps 10-20% of the population. Then by the mass action and mass-mind that is the beast of islam, they are able to destabilise or attack their unsuspecting host and ultimately demand sharia law , partition, or Islamic govt. France. Holland. And so on.
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| Do you have any evidence of a unified pan-islamic attempt to expand their territories? |
Thats like asking if army ants have dishonorable intentions. Look at any country of the world. Any country with a muslim minority..has a muslim problem.
The only countries without problems, are those which a) have no muslims or b) are muslim, thus all resistance has been crushed and the people have fallen under the irreversible backward oppression that is Islam. History shows the inexhorable march of Islam: infiltrating, adgitating, then finally conquering every land it touches. |
Ah, so you are insane.
The only countries that don't have a problem with muslims causing trouble are countries that don't have any muslims! Brilliant!
The only countries that don't have a problem with muslims are those that are all muslim! Shit, what logic!
Your university professor would be so proud of you.
Quess what my friend. Any country, any country in the world that has a sizeable minority population is going to have some friction. Is friction what we are talking about or are you referring to something more sinister? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: |
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[quote="nautilus"]". Will the Lakota ever be so lucky in America?
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| The Uighurs are not trying to dominate the Han Chinese. |
Islam seeks to dominate and then snuff out whatever non-muslim culture it comes into contact with. Uighurs do not simply "want to be left alone". They have their eye on the bigger prize of infiltrating and finally dominating. That is the programme of Islam this century and ever since Mohammed ordered to kill all infidels.
Do you have a PHD in this area? Have you spent some years in the region? Have you done any studies about Islamic history? It doesn't seem like it to me. I, for one, have spent some years in Kuwait, spent several months teaching English in Egypt, have been to Turkey repeatedly.
If Muslims are all monolithic then why do the Turks have an advanced country with a lot of know-how, and the Egyptians do not. Why do the Turks have a lot of Sufis while the Egyptians are not so influenced by Sufism? Mohammed did not state to kill all non-believers.
That is actually a canard. He was to keep those who were monotheistic and Muslim in a protective status. If Mohammed made such orders, then why are 11% of Syrians Orthodox and Catholic? That undermines your argument. If Muslims are so monolithic then why can you drink wine in Damascus and you can't do it in Kuwait? The poor Uighurs are not trying to expand. They want freedom. You mentioned the Native Americans.
Of course, they like freedom. Whites thought they were just all savages and backward heathens and all alike. We go back to this that you are claiming all Muslims are the same. Why are Sunni Muslims in Beirut allied to the United States while Sunni Muslims in Gaza among the Palestinians are not. You ignore regional political realities, ethnic differences, because it requires thinking more deeply about these things beyond simple prejudice. Being prejudice is the lazy way to do things.
Believe me, I know about Muslim fanatics more than you. I have had to deal with them and confront them before. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
Quess what my friend. Any country, any country in the world that has a sizeable minority population is going to have some friction. |
Bombs create friction (with air particles I believe) when they go off in crowded subways killing hundreds of innocent civilians. Especially when planted by apparently normal westerners who are actually secretly committed to killing infidels. People harbored by muslim communities in the west, who do nothing to reign them in. Average Joes, the majority of whom support the jihad against their host countries and are silently waiting their moment to strike.
Islam has mushroomed like a baloon to cover a vast amount of the planets land surface. You think its suddenly become inert and harmless now? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Difference is, bhuddism doesn't seek to dominate others. Its not imperialistic. |
You might want to check out Chrisopher Hitchens' chapter on Eastern religions in his recent anti-religion polemic God Is Not Great.
I wouldn't call it a great book by any stretch. But he does make the point that a lot of Buddhist monks in imperialist-era Japan went full-speed ahead in favor of militarism. And in Sri Lanka right now, there are Buddhist paramilitary groups that are violently chauvinistic in their outlook. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| But he does make the point that a lot of Buddhist monks in imperialist-era Japan went full-speed ahead in favor of militarism. |
Yes, monks in Japan have a rather militaristic background that pre-dates the Tokugawa Shogunate. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
Quess what my friend. Any country, any country in the world that has a sizeable minority population is going to have some friction. |
Bombs create friction (with air particles I believe) when they go off in crowded subways killing hundreds of innocent civilians. Especially when planted by apparently normal westerners who are actually secretly committed to killing infidels. People harbored by muslim communities in the west, who do nothing to reign them in. Average Joes, the majority of whom support the jihad against their host countries and are silently waiting their moment to strike.
Islam has mushroomed like a baloon to cover a vast amount of the planets land surface. You think its suddenly become inert and harmless now? |
You forget thatthe Muslim Arabs could argue that close to a million people in the Middle East have died due to England, France, and the US in some way. You have the Israelis armed to the teeth who killed thousands of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, you have the French, Israelis, and British who fought Egypt in 1956, you had the bloody Algerian War, and you had all the stuff that happened in Iraq. The death toll is unimaginable in those areas.Maybe, no bombs went off in subways over there, but they are, nonetheless, people. Just as people in New York City don't want to be blown up, I suspect people down their don't want their kin blown up, either. Whatever you may think, the Arabs feel they were treated unjustly in many cases by the West. They don't really have that feeling so much from Europe right now, but various European countries created a mess. Especially, France and England created a mess with how they carved up the area geographically.
In the same vein, there is a problem in Sri Lanka between the Hindus and Buddhists and there are those on both sides who have lots of blood. It is so easy to dehumanize people and ommit parts of history.
Also, as far as militants, you forgot the majority of the victims of fundamentalists are Muslims. When a bomb went off in Jordan a couple of years ago, most of the victims were Jordanians. When bombs went off over and over in Iraq, most of the victims were Iraqis. The Sunni Arab tribesmen, allied to the U.S., are trying to wipe out Al Qaeda in Iraq.
The fight against terrorism is not aided by racism and judging everyone in the same way. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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The fight against terrorism is not aided by racism |
"The fight against terrorism" is just a new phrase to add to a centuries old conflict between Islamic countries and non-islamic countries.
Without Islam would their be the terrorism? Is what you need to ask yourself.
Racism? How is being against the growth of a religion racist? No I don't care what colour people are: we're talking about a bacteria that is taking hold of the planet and bit by bit, and thrusting it back into the dark ages. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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The fight against terrorism is not aided by racism |
"The fight against terrorism" is just a new phrase to add to a centuries old conflict between Islamic countries and non-islamic countries.
Without Islam would their be the terrorism? Is what you need to ask yourself.Racism? How is being against the growth of a religion racist? No I don't care what colour people are: we're talking about a bacteria that is taking hold of the planet and bit by bit, and thrusting it back into the dark ages. |
End of arguement right there. Of course there would still be terrorism without Islam. Discussion ended. You sir are a total joke. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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The fight against terrorism is not aided by racism |
"The fight against terrorism" is just a new phrase to add to a centuries old conflict between Islamic countries and non-islamic countries.
Without Islam would their be the terrorism? Is what you need to ask yourself.
Racism? How is being against the growth of a religion racist? No I don't care what colour people are: we're talking about a bacteria that is taking hold of the planet and bit by bit, and thrusting it back into the dark ages. |
The world has been full of madness for millenia with the Huns invading Europe, Muslims invading Europe, Europeans invading Africa and the Middle East. You fail to recognize that human being are responsible for the mess the world is in, and the West just like the East is responsible for promoting a more peaceful area.
There is terrorism all over the world in Sri Lanka, Chechnya by Russian troops and by Chechnyans against Russians, Israelis against Arabs and Arabs against Israelis. You have rebels in Colombia committing terrorism against other Colombians. It is part of a sick human condition masked by ideology, and you are being part of the problem, not the solution. I think junior didn't mean would there not be terrorism in the world, he meant Muslims wouldn't engage in terrorism if there was no Islam. Yes, many Muslims use an interpretation of Islam to justify themselves, but many of them are claiming to be fighting for liberation, freedom for Muslims not to force the West to become Muslims, and that's what they even tell their followers. Junior sees them on the offensive and so do others, but they are claiming they are on the defensive. I don't agree with them or junior. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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The world has been full of madness for millenia with the Huns invading Europe, Muslims invading Europe, Europeans invading Africa and the Middle East. |
Exactly. And history hasn't ended. Civilizational struggles haven't ended, just because Western people want it to be so. Europe is being colonized now and the European response is to behave like an NGO. China will protect her territorial integrity, the safety of her citizens and ensure Han culture dominates from coast to coast. This because she has a realist understanding of the world. Place whatever value judgments on that that you want. You can think it right or wrong, good or bad. But in a reality based world, one must be long China and short Europe. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:13 am Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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| Civilizational struggles haven't ended, just because Western people want it to be so. Europe is being colonized now and the European response is to behave like an NGO. China will protect her territorial integrity, the safety of her citizens and ensure Han culture dominates from coast to coast. This because she has a realist understanding of the world. Place whatever value judgments on that that you want. You can think it right or wrong, good or bad. But in a reality based world, one must be long China and short Europe. |
You speak sense.
And short Canada, America, Uk etc etc as well. When most of their population think like yawarakaijin or adventurer. To me it lacks something. It shows how little self esteem that en masse, europe does not want to continue its culture, will not fight to protect itself, will not even reproduce to continue themselves.
All that people sense in the world is power and weakness. After yawarakaijin & adventurer solemnly express those heartfelt opinions to a band of muslim immigrants... which one are they going to sense? |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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You speak sense.
And short Canada, America, Uk etc etc as well. When most of their population think like yawarakaijin or adventurer. To me it lacks something. It shows how little self esteem that en masse, europe does not want to continue its culture, will not fight to protect itself, will not even reproduce to continue themselves.
All that people sense in the world is power and weakness. After yawarakaijin & adventurer solemnly express those heartfelt opinions to a band of muslim immigrants... which one are they going to sense? |
It seems your ability to stereotype those you don't agree with is just as honed as your ability to stereotype muslims.
It is people like you ,who seek justification for going overseas and killing everyone with brown skin, that are the one with no faith in their country or it's institutions. It is people like you who seek to demonize an entire religion/ethnic group who are afraid and weak.
I cherish every institution of the west and if Islamic law ever infringed upon my liberties in Canada I would be the first to speak up. If ever an Islamic invasion force, highly likely you know  , appeared over the horizon I would be the first one to join up.
Last time I checked Canada was still refusing to let little girls play soccer while wearing any kind of traditional muslim head gear. Ohhhhhhhh we are being overrun by mulsims! the horror, the horror. 
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