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Young FRANKenstein
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| Jarome_Turner wrote: |
| Couture is overrated. Probably the most overrated fighter in MMA, IMO. |
An overrated fighter whose held the title how many times? How many weight classes? |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Jarome_Turner wrote: |
| Couture is overrated. Probably the most overrated fighter in MMA, IMO. |
An overrated fighter whose held the title how many times? How many weight classes? |
If he could hold onto a belt like Fedor he wouldn't have to keep trying to get it back. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Jarome_Turner wrote: |
| Couture is overrated. Probably the most overrated fighter in MMA, IMO. |
An overrated fighter whose held the title how many times? How many weight classes? |
If he could hold onto a belt like Fedor he wouldn't have to keep trying to get it back. |
Name one guy other than Fedor whose held a title for an extended amount of defences. I don't know of any that have gone more than 5 before losing it. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Jarome_Turner wrote: |
| Couture is overrated. Probably the most overrated fighter in MMA, IMO. |
An overrated fighter whose held the title how many times? How many weight classes? |
If he could hold onto a belt like Fedor he wouldn't have to keep trying to get it back. |
Name one guy other than Fedor whose held a title for an extended amount of defences. I don't know of any that have gone more than 5 before losing it. |
Randy has never gone 5 fights without losing it. In fact he's never gone 2 fights without losing it. There are tons of guys that have done that.
I know Matt Hughes 6, Nogueira 5, Wanderlei Silva 11 ( some were non title) andTito Ortiz 5. Gomi only has a few but he won ten straight before there even was lightweight belt. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Name one guy other than Fedor whose held a title for an extended amount of defences. I don't know of any that have gone more than 5 before losing it. |
Randy has never gone 5 fights without losing it. In fact he's never gone 2 fights without losing it. There are tons of guys that have done that. |
I didn't say he did. You were the one arguing that numbers of defences meant something and number of titles meant nothing.
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| I know Matt Hughes 6, Nogueira 5, Wanderlei Silva 11 ( some were non title) andTito Ortiz 5. |
Hughes only had 5 defences before losing it, and only 2 the second time. Silva only had 4 actual defences; non-title doesn't count if your argument is holding onto a title rates better than holding multiple titles. You can't lose a title if it's not on the line.
Again, who has had more than 5 defences? Very very few. I imagine Frank Shamrock would have gone more than 5 had he not retired with the belt.
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| Gomi only has a few but he won ten straight before there even was lightweight belt. |
Lots of guys have large unbeaten/win streaks before getting a title shot. So? What's that got to do with keeping a belt?
Holding a belt that you won is a lot harder than winning a belt in the first place, which is why very few have extended streaks with a belt. I don't see how having multiple championships is meaningless. Lennox Lewis won how many belts? Four ? But that means he lost four belts, too, I guess. Yeah, Lewis is overrated. (Same for other multiple belt holders... Ali, Holyfield, Foreman, Leonard... all overrated for losing so many belts) |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Name one guy other than Fedor whose held a title for an extended amount of defences. I don't know of any that have gone more than 5 before losing it. |
Randy has never gone 5 fights without losing it. In fact he's never gone 2 fights without losing it. There are tons of guys that have done that. |
I didn't say he did. You were the one arguing that numbers of defences meant something and number of titles meant nothing. Randy Couture never held five titles. I don�t understand why you seem so impressed with that number. He was just in the right place at the right time. He was in the UFC when Pride had all the top heavyweights and light heavy weights. The UFC just kept throwing him title fights. When it became obvious he would never beat Liddell he retired. Then, when the heavyweight division thinned out he came out of retirement and was given another title shot.
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| I know Matt Hughes 6, Nogueira 5, Wanderlei Silva 11 ( some were non title) andTito Ortiz 5. |
Hughes only had 5 defences before losing it, and only 2 the second time.Thats 3 more than Couture could ever manage. And he was in a stacked division which makes it more impressive. A 41-7 record is better than a 16-8 one. Silva only had 4 actual defences; non-title doesn't count if your argument is holding onto a title rates better than holding multiple titles. You can't lose a title if it's not on the line. Even if it was on the line, he wouldn't have lost it. Wanderlei Silva probably has the most impressive record in MMA after Fedor. It doesn't really matter that they were non-title because he won them, except for Arona (which was in the middle of a tournament) and Cro Cop and Hunt who are heavyweights. So even if The Arona fight had been a title fight thats 11 wins before he loses to a guy in his own weight class.
Again, who has had more than 5 defences? Very very few. I imagine Frank Shamrock would have gone more than 5 had he not retired with the belt. Where did you come up with the number 5? Couture couldn't make it to three?
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| Gomi only has a few but he won ten straight before there even was lightweight belt. |
Lots of guys have large unbeaten/win streaks before getting a title shot. So? What's that got to do with keeping a belt? There was no belt. There was no lightweight title to be won. He fought for almost two years, beating all the top fighters in the division, but there was no belt to be won. If there had been, he would have held it for more than five fights. (BTW, he held the Shooto tltle for 5 fights)
Holding a belt that you won is a lot harder than winning a belt in the first place, which is why very few have extended streaks with a belt. I don't see how having multiple championships is meaningless. He never held multiple belts like Lennox Lewis. He won the belt and then lost it. Thats what you don't seem to understand. He beatLennox Lewis won how many belts? Four ? But that means he lost four belts, too, I guess. Yeah, Lewis is overrated. (Same for other multiple belt holders... Ali, Holyfield, Foreman, Leonard... all overrated for losing so many belts) |
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catman
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Just read that Fedor will be fighting Andrei Arlovski on October 11th in Las Vegas!
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LAS VEGAS � Fedor Emelianenko will defend his newly won World Association of Mixed Martial Arts heavyweight championship belt on Oct. 11 against Andrei Arlovski in the UFC�s backyard.
Affliction�s second MMA promotion will be at the Thomas & Mack Center on the UNLV campus, in the shadow of the UFC�s corporate offices, according to a venue official.
Affliction made its promotional debut last Saturday at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., with Emelianenko submitting ex-UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia in just 36 seconds.
Affliction vice president Tom Atencio said Wednesday an announcement on its next show would come Tuesday. But arena director Daren Libonati, who is a big MMA supporter, said he was excited to have Emelianenko back in his building.
Libonati was instrumental in bringing the now-defunct PRIDE Fighting Championship to the U.S. for the first time on Oct. 21, 2006, with a show at Thomas & Mack that featured Emelianenko defending his heavyweight title against Mark Coleman.
�We�re really excited to have Affliction in the building and particularly to have Fedor and all those other great names,� Libonati said. �I remember working so hard with all those people at PRIDE and the ultimate goal was to put on a show (at Sam Boyd Stadium, UNLV�s football stadium) where the PRIDE champions would have defended their titles against the UFC champions.
�That�s what we were working toward in those two (PRIDE) shows we did back then, but it never worked out. We always want to bring big events here, and any time you have Fedor in your building you have a big event.�
Arlovski is a former UFC heavyweight champion who was impressive on Saturday�s Affliction show in stopping Ben Rothwell.
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| I heard Aleksander Emelianenko tested positive for hepatitis b, and thats why he didn't fight at Affliction. Sucks if it's true. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| I heard Aleksander Emelianenko tested positive for hepatitis b, and thats why he didn't fight at Affliction. Sucks if it's true. |
Its true. His career could be over. |
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rumdiary
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| I heard Aleksander Emelianenko tested positive for hepatitis b, and thats why he didn't fight at Affliction. Sucks if it's true. |
Its true. His career could be over. |
Aleksander Emelianenko Reveals The Real Reason He Was Removed From Affliction: Banned
By Jason Perkins | July 29, 2008 www.fightline.com
Days after Aleksander Emelianenko was forced to withdraw from Affliction: Banned due what the CSAC termed as "failing to meet all licensing requirements", heavy rumors persisted that Emelianenko had contracted hepatitis B and could possibly be forced into early retirement.
Aleksander spoke out today about the real reasons behind his dismissal from Affliction�s inaugural event and addressed rumored health concerns in an interview with Life.ru
Below is a brief description of the interview:
In the video interview with life.ru Aleks claims that he was simply late. He says there is absolutely nothing wrong with him physically.
He says that according to the CSAC he was supposed to be tested on 13th. He only received a visa on 14th and came to US on 15th. He was hoping that they would be able to still work everything out - but apparently the CSAC is very strict on everything. |
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