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bobbyhanlon
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| This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
Europe's a big place, you know..
And these are basketball players. Are they 'educated' Spanish? |
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reimund
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As a Korean-American, I find it quite hilarious. LOL.
It's racist, but so what? It's a joke. Not a hate crime or anything. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Spain's racist basketball team |
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| endo wrote: |
The above link you posted (like the Spanish basketball team) are 1. both stupid and based on ignorance.
And perhaps both offered a glimps into a mindset of racial superioroty.
2. However, I wouldn't call either racist. Just dumb and foolish. (and a little bit funny.....I mean my foreign friends an I often make racial jokes towards one another)
It's all about context. |
1. That's often how I describe the racism I see.
2. Can you give an example of something you would find racist? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think the gesture is racist.
They might as well color themselves black, and take a picture in a cotton field. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| bobbyhanlon wrote: |
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| This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
Europe's a big place, you know..
And these are basketball players. Are they 'educated' Spanish? |
Europe is a big place. Spain is part of Europe. And I said this just adds to that fallacy.
I wasnt commenting on the basketball players. I know jocks are stupid the world over. I was more interested in my Spanish roommate and his friends. All very educated and the upper crust of Spain. This would be 100% uncceptable in the USA. So would the racist crap that goes on during European soccer matches |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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It's racist if it's deliberately demeaning or it plays upon a negative stereotype.
The only way the photo can be racist is if:
a. Having narrow eyes is a negative stereotype in the mind of Chinese
b. The team intended to demean Chinese people
I don't think having narrow eyes makes a Chinese man feel diminished. It remains to be seen if the team intended to demean Chinese people and context is important here.
The only people I'd raise an issue with are those people that think that the photo is racist. Why do you think the photo is racist? Do you think that it isn't true that Chinese people have narrow eyes? Do you think that having narrow eyes is something that shouldn't be talked about...because it's a negative aspect of Chinese physiognomy? |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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That is unreal...
I would have thought that that picture was:
a) taken in 1958 or before
b) something a group of grade 2 boys would do.
I seriously never thought Spanish people could be that stupid. |
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Toon Army
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Given the behaviour of their football fans and the crap they directed at Louis Hamilton, nothing surprises me. |
the monkey chants were a disgrace and brushed aside by the Spanish FA
On top of that their racist Spanish coach Aragones calling Thierry Henry a `black $hit` yet never apologized. Do they never learn?
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Toon Army wrote: |
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Given the behaviour of their football fans and the crap they directed at Louis Hamilton, nothing surprises me. |
the monkey chants were a disgrace and brushed aside by the Spanish FA
On top of that their racist Spanish coach Aragones calling Thierry Henry a `black $hit` yet never apologized. Do they never learn?
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Agree, and English footie, which has come a long way in terms of cleaning up its act in the areas of violence and racism, is still the whipping boy for the continent. Funny that, when the behaviour of many fans on the continent is little better than that of semi-literate pigs. |
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stevieg4ever
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Who says Europeans are morally superior? As is often quoted on this board 'there is racism everywhere'.
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I had a roomate here in Seoul who was working for the Spanish government. He was well educated and upper class. He was showing me his photos from back home and he had one with people slanting their eyes as mentioned in the OP. I had no idea what they were doing until he explained it to me.
This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| stevieg4ever wrote: |
Who says Europeans are morally superior? As is often quoted on this board 'there is racism everywhere'.
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I had a roomate here in Seoul who was working for the Spanish government. He was well educated and upper class. He was showing me his photos from back home and he had one with people slanting their eyes as mentioned in the OP. I had no idea what they were doing until he explained it to me.
This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
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Pretty much every European I have ever met and every editorial,book, article, and opinion piece I have ever read that was penned by a European claims European moral superiority over the USA. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Beej wrote: |
| stevieg4ever wrote: |
Who says Europeans are morally superior? As is often quoted on this board 'there is racism everywhere'.
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I had a roomate here in Seoul who was working for the Spanish government. He was well educated and upper class. He was showing me his photos from back home and he had one with people slanting their eyes as mentioned in the OP. I had no idea what they were doing until he explained it to me.
This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
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Pretty much every European I have ever met and every editorial,book, article, and opinion piece I have ever read that was penned by a European claims European moral superiority over the USA. |
Oh bollox, there is plenty of fawning adulation, myself included. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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I'd like to see endo walk into an all-African bar and say "what's up my niggers", what an idiot.
The picture is clearly racist, it speaks of disfigurement the way someone would point to you about your ugly face, of course there's nothing wrong with that either right?
Do you see anyone else wear broken false teeth, half bald wigs to mimick the English?
Spain is strange, I see a lot of dark "fillipino" looking people from Spain. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| stevieg4ever wrote: |
Who says Europeans are morally superior? As is often quoted on this board 'there is racism everywhere'.
| Beej wrote: |
I had a roomate here in Seoul who was working for the Spanish government. He was well educated and upper class. He was showing me his photos from back home and he had one with people slanting their eyes as mentioned in the OP. I had no idea what they were doing until he explained it to me.
This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
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Pretty much every European I have ever met and every editorial,book, article, and opinion piece I have ever read that was penned by a European claims European moral superiority over the USA. |
Oh bollox, there is plenty of fawning adulation, myself included. |
Please elaborate on this idea of fawning adulation. |
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