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mindmetoo
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 Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Re: rotten.com---> a morbid post |
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| tfunk wrote: |
The most disturbing thing about those sites is the fact that they are interesting.
People in power (e.g. soldiers that are bored/frustrated/angry) push the boundaries the same way viewers on the internet are inclined to. I think the same compulsion that brings you to those sites is the same inclination to see something shocking in real life.
I see the potential for evil in me. |
I think it's important from time to time to remind ourselves that life isn't neat and clean. When our image of death is those stormtroopers in spiffy white plastic who just neatly fall down, we lose sight of what real war, accidents, violence, and stupidity actually do. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: rotten.com---> a morbid post |
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| tfunk wrote: |
The most disturbing thing about those sites is the fact that they are interesting.
People in power (e.g. soldiers that are bored/frustrated/angry) push the boundaries the same way viewers on the internet are inclined to. I think the same compulsion that brings you to those sites is the same inclination to see something shocking in real life.
I see the potential for evil in me. |
When I was a young boy in Germany we had lots of Allegemeine (todtenkopf) SS and Waffen SS veterans in our village. Those cats were the scariest old guys in the world.
One day I was taking in a match at the village pitch and one former SS guy rolled up on me.
SS: You are American.
Me: Oh, you speak English....How did you learn English?
SS: I was living in Tennessee.
Me: What were you doing there?
SS: I was a prisoner.
Me: My uncle was a prisoner in Arizona, he was in the Wehrmacht.
SS: I was in the SS.
As if the felllow's missing digits didn't convince me, I got to see his SS tat. My blood went Ice Age.
Err...to sum up, humans are dangerous. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: rotten.com---> a morbid post |
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| Rob'sdad wrote: |
| tfunk wrote: |
The most disturbing thing about those sites is the fact that they are interesting.
People in power (e.g. soldiers that are bored/frustrated/angry) push the boundaries the same way viewers on the internet are inclined to. I think the same compulsion that brings you to those sites is the same inclination to see something shocking in real life.
I see the potential for evil in me. |
When I was a young boy in Germany we had lots of Allegemeine (todtenkopf) SS and Waffen SS veterans in our village. Those cats were the scariest old guys in the world.
One day I was taking in a match at the village pitch and one former SS guy rolled up on me.
SS: You are American.
Me: Oh, you speak English....How did you learn English?
SS: I was living in Tennessee.
Me: What were you doing there?
SS: I was a prisoner.
Me: My uncle was a prisoner in Arizona, he was in the Wehrmacht.
SS: I was in the SS.
As if the felllow's missing digits didn't convince me, I got to see his SS tat. My blood went Ice Age.
Err...to sum up, humans are dangerous. |
Awesome story. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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OK. This one is sure to give me nightmares tonight I now know for certain why war screws people up for life. If I saw this in person, I would never be the same again.
http://poetry.rotten.com/failed-mission/ |
That's actually a lot better than what would have happened if he hadn't gotten shot.
*For those who didn't look, it's a suicide bomber wannabe head shot by a sniper. The sniper was using either a 50cal or a softnosed bullet by the looks of things; the damage is rather traumatic. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: rotten.com---> a morbid post |
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| Rob'sdad wrote: |
| tfunk wrote: |
The most disturbing thing about those sites is the fact that they are interesting.
People in power (e.g. soldiers that are bored/frustrated/angry) push the boundaries the same way viewers on the internet are inclined to. I think the same compulsion that brings you to those sites is the same inclination to see something shocking in real life.
I see the potential for evil in me. |
When I was a young boy in Germany we had lots of Allegemeine (todtenkopf) SS and Waffen SS veterans in our village. Those cats were the scariest old guys in the world.
One day I was taking in a match at the village pitch and one former SS guy rolled up on me.
SS: You are American.
Me: Oh, you speak English....How did you learn English?
SS: I was living in Tennessee.
Me: What were you doing there?
SS: I was a prisoner.
Me: My uncle was a prisoner in Arizona, he was in the Wehrmacht.
SS: I was in the SS.
As if the felllow's missing digits didn't convince me, I got to see his SS tat. My blood went Ice Age.
Err...to sum up, humans are dangerous. |
Cool story.
A friends grandfather apparently had some interesting stories about refusing surrender while fighting in the Pacific. Common occurance apparently.
If anyone's ever looked at a list of wartime atrocities, it really brings home what a monster it can make out of even the most normal people. |
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DrunkenMaster
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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*For those who didn't look, it's a suicide bomber wannabe head shot by a sniper. The sniper was using either a 50cal or a softnosed bullet by the looks of things; the damage is rather traumatic. |
.50 caliber ammunition was banned by the Geneva Convention. Even if a round flies within an inch of your head (without actually hitting you), it'd still turn your brains to mush.
So, yeah, I can't imagine a picture of someone who was shot in the head with one of those being very pretty  |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: rotten.com---> a morbid post |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| tfunk wrote: |
The most disturbing thing about those sites is the fact that they are interesting.
People in power (e.g. soldiers that are bored/frustrated/angry) push the boundaries the same way viewers on the internet are inclined to. I think the same compulsion that brings you to those sites is the same inclination to see something shocking in real life.
I see the potential for evil in me. |
I think it's important from time to time to remind ourselves that life isn't neat and clean. When our image of death is those stormtroopers in spiffy white plastic who just neatly fall down, we lose sight of what real war, accidents, violence, and stupidity actually do. |
I agree. The thing that gets me is the war images; I think about how I might have a few nightmares, then I think about the kids who are actually experiencing these images every day is some places.
I got really into Japanese war crime history when I moved here in 2006, and ended up reading some books on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731. The descriptions made me almost pass out. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: rotten.com---> a morbid post |
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I agree. The thing that gets me is the war images; I think about how I might have a few nightmares, then I think about the kids who are actually experiencing these images every day is some places.
I got really into Japanese war crime history when I moved here in 2006, and ended up reading some books on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731. The descriptions made me almost pass out. |
Yes, the Rape of Nanking was made into a documentary. Don't know if you've seen it. I have, but haven't read the book. After having visited Japan, I found it hard to imagine those same people behaving like that... then again, neither could anyone visiting Germany or England.
One of the most disturbing images I've seen in the past few years (it made it difficult to sleep for a few days) was a picture from the Bhopal (Dow Chemical) Nuclear power plant incident in India. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: rotten.com---> a morbid post |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| tfunk wrote: |
The most disturbing thing about those sites is the fact that they are interesting.
People in power (e.g. soldiers that are bored/frustrated/angry) push the boundaries the same way viewers on the internet are inclined to. I think the same compulsion that brings you to those sites is the same inclination to see something shocking in real life.
I see the potential for evil in me. |
I think it's important from time to time to remind ourselves that life isn't neat and clean. When our image of death is those stormtroopers in spiffy white plastic who just neatly fall down, we lose sight of what real war, accidents, violence, and stupidity actually do. |
I agree. The thing that gets me is the war images; I think about how I might have a few nightmares, then I think about the kids who are actually experiencing these images every day is some places.
I got really into Japanese war crime history when I moved here in 2006, and ended up reading some books on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731. The descriptions made me almost pass out. |
Be careful or you'll have the Japanese apologist brigade that lurks on these forums coming down on you and telling you that the Rape of Nanking never happened and that Japanese are peace-loving folks who were brutally attacked by the U.S...  |
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5600
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Location: At an undisclosed FEMA camp.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| .50 caliber ammunition was banned by the Geneva Convention |
Well that'ts not entirely accurate.
You are not supposed tp engage personell with a .50 cal machine gun as in the Browning 50 cal that has been used since WW2. I used the Barret 50cal sniper rifle when I was in the Army, and that is legal all day long. If you want to get into ROE then you are really only supposed to engage the enemy with the least ammount of force necessary. If one guy is shooting at you, you are not supposed to fire a TOW missle at him. Does it happen? What do you think? It was my opinion that you get rid of the threat as fast as possible. I might be out of rifle ammo and all I have at my disposal is a 50cal machine gun. So long Achmed.[/code] |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| .50 caliber ammunition was banned by the Geneva Convention |
Well that'ts not entirely accurate.
You are not supposed tp engage personell with a .50 cal machine gun as in the Browning 50 cal that has been used since WW2. I used the Barret 50cal sniper rifle when I was in the Army, and that is legal all day long. |
Yeah, you're right. I oversimplified it.
I learned when I went through basic that .50 machine gun rounds were banned by the Geneva Convention from being used against ground troops. That doesn't mean they can't be used against vehicles, or from sniper rifles.
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| If you want to get into ROE then you are really only supposed to engage the enemy with the least ammount of force necessary. If one guy is shooting at you, you are not supposed to fire a TOW missle at him. Does it happen? What do you think? It was my opinion that you get rid of the threat as fast as possible. I might be out of rifle ammo and all I have at my disposal is a 50cal machine gun. So long Achmed. |
I know in Iraq they'll level a city block for one sniper if they can't see where he is. High US Soldier death tolls = no popular support for the war.
Half the Canadian ROEs... even in war time situations, only allow you to shoot back if you are fired upon or if a friendly soldier is actually hit. Also, lethal rounds are not permitted except for in extreme situations, hence the C-7 only fires 5.56mm (mostly non-lethal) while the AK fires 7.62mm (very lethal). |
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OneWayTraffic
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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* A near miss from a 50 cal shouldn't give you anything but a scare. I'd say urban myth unless given evidence otherwise. Never been in the army, but I've hunted enough to know what bullets do. Know my physics too.
*Using the least amount of force is total bull. Dead is dead. You're not any deader if shot by a 50cal as opposed to a .223. Bullet placement is worth more than size. Don't get me started on hollowpoints. What's better, shooting the guy once to put him down, or putting half a mag into him because your piddly little bullets lack the stopping power? Only very good marksmen usually go pig or deer hunting with a .222 class weapon. Humane hunters would use something with more push.
*Least amount of force does make sense in a situation where there's gonna be collaterol damage. You don't want to level half a city to kill one guy. But when it comes down to killing that guy, the troops should be given the most efficient means to do so. I don't think a 5.56 is it. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| .50 caliber ammunition was banned by the Geneva Convention |
Well that'ts not entirely accurate.
You are not supposed tp engage personell with a .50 cal machine gun as in the Browning 50 cal that has been used since WW2. |
Yeah, you're right. I oversimplified it.
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The way I learned it was M2 isn't to be used as an antipersonnel weapon.
Vehicles and military equipment are fair game.
Therefore, unless the opposition is naked, you're aiming for a helmet, canteen, uniform or whatever equipment may be in use or carried. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems pretty stupid to ban a caliber. Were the people shot by it too dead? I can see why if it was somehow dangerous to the shooter. |
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