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sjrm
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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It certainly doesn't prevent underage drinking. Heck, you can smoke when your 18 (I think). Absolutely stupid law.
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It's 19 to buy tobacco in Utah and Alabama. There might be one other state, but I'm not sure. |
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semi-fly

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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I would think (and I know, thinking is only going to get me into trouble) that lower the drinking age would only increase not decrease the number of people getting into accidents not to mention increase the number of people on college campuses binge drinking.
I know there will be people who will comment that if I'm old enough to defend the country, I'm old enough to drink, smoke, vote, etc. the country should then have no say in whether I drink, smoke.
How then would someone argue that the country (as a whole) is looking out for its citizens by restricting certain 'liberties'? Unfortunately the country tends to turn a deaf ear/blind eye to its citizens when they happen to develop a addiction later in life because of these 'liberties' only because they were (as in the country) too stupid to restrict/outlaw these 'liberties' from the beginning. [Let the 'You're a Communist/nut job comments commence'] I simply feel these (smoking, drinking) vices are down right silly as we have known for some time that they are bad for you and in some cases for the people around you. |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| I think if you're old enough to vote and die in the military you should be able to drink. It's about that simple. |
Yep. Agreed. Damn Yankees. Oh, wait...I mean, damn Yanks. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I think one of the ideas is that if the drink age is lowered, people are less likely to hide their drinking. Teenagers drink in the U.S. but because it is illegal they do it on the sly, creating more dangerous situations.
Regardless, the idea is to learn how to drink responsibility not to outlaw drinking.
It may turn out that drinking related accidents and deaths are reduced if the drinking age is reduced.
It also pre-supposes guilt. Obviously, some teenagers drink responsibly. We should punish all for the crimes of a few. If you make a mistake, then maybe you should lose your right for some length of time (regardless of your age). This "line in the sand" twenty-one is too capricious. |
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it's full of stars

Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: |
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One poster mentioned being able to drink while having a meal. I think it is a good idea, when eating out with family for example.
I think I'll encourage or allow my children to have one or two drinks at home, with dinner. Not every day, but on holidays, maybe when we are celebrating something. Setting an example may help make them more responsible teens and adults.
Is it actually only illegal to buy drink or can you drink it if someone gives it to you? |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| it's full of stars wrote: |
One poster mentioned being able to drink while having a meal. I think it is a good idea, when eating out with family for example.
I think I'll encourage or allow my children to have one or two drinks at home, with dinner. Not every day, but on holidays, maybe when we are celebrating something. Setting an example may help make them more responsible teens and adults.
Is it actually only illegal to buy drink or can you drink it if someone gives it to you? |
If you're underage and someone gives you the drink and you're between 18 and 21, you're in trouble. If you're under 18, you're (probably) not in trouble. Either way, whoever gave you the drink is going to gaol. |
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it's full of stars

Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Fair enough. I'm thinking about a drink with meals in the privacy of my own home. A glass of wine for example, or a beer, not supplying the local hood rats. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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I believe it is either not illegal or generally un-enforced if a parent provides their children with drink in the privacy of their home. I would think it would be a problem in public, if a parent provided it to a child who then gave it to someone elses child or if a parent allowed someone elses child or allowed their child to drink without adult supervision.
But, I think your idea is a smart one - teach your children how to drink, when to drink and to drink responsibly will go alot farther than to just tell them you are too young. And certainly, if you do not drink and you feel it is important to teach your child this value, by all means do so. But, I don't think it is good to base the law on one's or certain group's moral beliefs. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| It's 18 in the UK and there are almost no problems with the drinking culture there. Fact. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| It's 18 in the UK and there are almost no problems with the drinking culture there. Fact. |
You almost had me believing that. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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When I was 19 I was at college in the US. I used to hangout at a dodgy biker bar where they'd serve me and the other exchange students from Europe. That was nice of them.
My parents came to visit with my 17 year old brother and we met up in NYC. Over 3 days we went to about 6 establishments which happily served both my brother and I beer or wine. In every place they said that it was OK because we were British/European. They were classy restaurant places and hotel bars, not dives. I reckon that it was because we were paying considerable amounts of money rather than our nationality though. Money talks. The US legal drinking age only affects the poor. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: |
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IMO 16 or 17 should be the drinking age everywhere in the world. Christ yr almost grown at that age, and drinking is fun. If you win the championship game in high school you should get free beers at the local bar too.
21 is just a stupid pseudo-morality thing keeping the judgedudes and hippocrates happy. |
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browneyedgirl

Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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If they weren't driving home, then I'd say there is nothing wrong with them drinking at 18.
If someone lives in a city with a subway or within walking distance of a bar, then there isn't a big problem. The real problem is most of Americans drive after they drink, and most 18-year-old kids don't even drive well when they are sober. |
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newton kabiddles
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll accept 21 as long as I can smoke in a fuckin bar. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I remember when I was at University all the exchange students from the US were amazed that there were loads of bars on campus. Apparently they don't in the States? Couldn't imagine that tbh^^ |
Bars are not on campus in the US. |
There is a bar (eh, well ok, "pub") on my campus, UCSD. Cal has one on campus as well- the Bear's Lair. My alma mater (WUSTL) had an on-campus pub too. When I arrived, it was temporarily closed after being caught serving minors.
The University of RI used to have one, but the administration closed it down in order to drop in Playboy's party-school rankings. Don't know if it worked.
Point being, there are a number of campuses in the US with some kind of bar on them.
But yeah, having a drinking age of 21 is rather silly, especially since one can serve in the military and vote before then. |
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