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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| A President's approval rating is not spin. He's a horrible President and everyone knows it. Citing a low Congressional approval rating to justify a sitting President's horrible approval rating is spin, however. |
Congratulations on spinning my point into something different than my articulation.
We are at a low-approval rating moment in American political history, Kuros. More than just W. Bush, unfortunately. Please take account of the whole and not merely that part of it which you find most convenient for your politics. |
Worst. President. Since. Carter.
Agree/Disagree? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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I do not know how we judge "worst president since..." See my comments, above.
I have never been a fan of his presidency. Not once.
People still think the Democratic Congress sucks, too. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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People still think the Democratic Congress sucks, too. |
Nope. Sorry. People think Congress sucks. Including those guys on the GOP aisle of the Senate invoking cloture rules everytime something substantial comes up.
Its Et tu quoque, anyway.
And yes, at time moment, at this point in time, I'm not going to be shy about my moderate centrist political leanings and my preference for the Democrats. It would be just silly.
And Gopher, Bush's presidency sucks, on the friggin' whole. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| And Gopher, Bush's presidency sucks, on the friggin' whole. |
Who are you arguing against here? And why so defensive about the pork-happy Democratic Congress and its dismally-low approval ratings? This Congress sucks on the whole, too. Approximately 90% of Americans tend to agree. W. Bush's fault, too? In any case, I note that you clarify that you will support this Congress and overlook its critics as a matter of partisan loyalty. Let us see how things go for them now...
Meanwhile, and because you keep harping on W. Bush, let me place him where he falls in my own reckoning of postwar presidents at the moment:
(1) The better presidents, the ones I approve of (chronological): FDR, H. Truman, D. Eisenhower, H.W. Bush, B. Clinton.
(2) Hard to say, insufficient time in office (also chronological): JFK, G. Ford.
(3) Those presidents I disapprove of (ranked from the worst): (a) the worst ones include LBJ and W. Bush; (b) just under them: R. Nixon and R. Reagan; and lastly, (c) J. Carter, who strikes me almost as an innocent, who does not quite belong in the same league as any of the others, and who should be judged forgivingly for his bad leadership and unmitigated ineptitude. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| I note that you clarify that you will support this Congress and overlook its critics as a matter of partisan loyalty. |
Wrong.
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| All three branches suck, suck, suck right now. |
Clear as fucking crystal. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha. The lawyer thing you were telling me about.
I think you may be letting CNN's political team play you here. You should not allow your sources to do that to you. In any case, I responded to this...
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| And yes, at time moment, at this point in time, I'm not going to be shy about my moderate centrist political leanings and my preference for the Democrats. It would be just silly. |
Given its context, given that since the midterm elections we are not just talking about any Congress, but a Democratic Congress, and given your subsequent reaction to my acknowledging what you said here, this no longer makes much sense to me.
In any case, explain to me your argument against me on this thread again, especially the part where you think we are advancing competing positions that warrant such as response as this. Start with my first three words.
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On the Other Hand: I just reread your posts and noted your drawing distinctions based on "electoral significance." But W. Bush was not running for any election. Further, polls that CNN's political team design to keep hammering away at W. Bush's approval rating, as of this week, have absolutely no electoral significance, either.
Note that other news services are covering today's meeting differently, not merely as a public-relations pretext to, big surprise, slam W. Bush some more, thus creating a nice, and very contrasting foil for Barack Obama, the Messiah, as the transition unfolds...
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The outgoing president has welcomed the incoming president to the White House.
It was the first time back in Washington for President-elect Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, since the election. Their White House visit, coming some 10 weeks before Inauguration Day, mixed hospitality with business. While first lady Laura Bush gave Michelle Obama a tour of the second-floor residence of the Executive Mansion, President Bush and Obama talked for nearly two hours... |
NPR Reports |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Most people from both parties think George Bush did a horrible job.
He mishandled Katrina, the Iraq War for most of his presidency, so much money disappeared in Iraq, he has a horrible record on the environment when compared to his predecessors etc..... Many political historians have labeled him as incompetent. That's, at least, what they are saying. Sarah Palin just blamed Bush for the GOP's loss. Anyway, Clinton had a higher approval rating before leaving office. And if Nixon had a higher approval even after Watergate that just makes George Bush look horrible.
As far as supporting a Democratic Congress, people are supporting them including Republicans, because it's a two party system, Gopher. You do know it's a two-party system. We don't have much of a choice. It's not simply about partisan loyalty as you are trying to spin it. The US is not Israel or Italy or even England with multi-parties with some measurable political influence. In this case, people are choosing the lesser of two evils. |
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