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Jeff's Cigarettes
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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Ever here of DTS? Much available now but gotta have 5.1 or better system to take advantage of it. Sounds really cool listening to.
When I download music nowadays I always look for and find the work in FLAC format. I probably have around 50g's of it now. A lot of portable music players support it now, especially the best one...Cowon D2! So, FLAC is on the way in and in the future will be the status quo, IMHO.  |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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ever heard of FLAC audio? neither have most people because 99.9% of people 1) listen to music on crap ass speakers or (god forbid) ear buds and 2) those people probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference even on a decent stereo, and 3) people want their downloads to take a few minutes, not a few days.
high resolution blue ray discs will lose to convenient downloadable files every time, for the same reason that FLAC doesn't stand a chance against regular old mp3s. why spend $30 on a blue ray disc when you can download it for free? besides, you can't appreciate the difference without taking out a second mortgage to finance your home entertainment system. 90% of movies these days are utter garbage, anyway. |
The Same argument applies to DvDs and Cds and so far the music and DVD industry haven't gone out of buisness. At $16+ a pop, they aren't cheap either. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| i'd say your example ^ strengthens, not weakens, my hypothesis! |
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Jeff's Cigarettes
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah right, and man will go back to driving Flintstone mobiles.  |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Blu-ray is not dead. You're posting your opinion and a blog post as if it were industry fact.
The actual "dead" issue is downloads. People are generally only interested in downloading as long as its free. So far, in Korea, the paid downloading services are struggling seriously. Same in the USA. The download idea isn't catching on because most people don't want to wait for the video to download. They'd rather use on-demand cable, which is instantaneous. That's been out for years and has done little. Also, people want hard media in their hands that they can play whenever they want.
Interesting this comes out a few days after netflix announced they are no longer even renting HD-DVD.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/16005.cfm
Ever since HD-DVD "lost" the HD war, many of its zealots have been saying that downloads are the winner. It was an almost overnight transition for them -- out of bitterness. The article reads like someone who is spewing HD-DVD bitterness after a final death rattle. |
Uh, I never posted it as a fact or my opinion, just see the link below. But the author, who happens to be an A/V expert, gives valid reasons how Blu Ray has messed up even after the fall of HD DVD.
I do remember MiniDisc and DAT, and well, considering how fast tech goes these days, I wouldn't be surprised to see something better than Blu Ray come along in a few years. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing better than blu-ray is coming out for a long time....Ultra HD is the next format and it's gonna require a new generation of TVs vastly superior to what's out now.
However Ultra HD is awesome from what I've heard....it's like watching real life through a window. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Blu-ray is not dead. You're posting your opinion and a blog post as if it were industry fact.
The actual "dead" issue is downloads. People are generally only interested in downloading as long as its free. So far, in Korea, the paid downloading services are struggling seriously. Same in the USA. The download idea isn't catching on because most people don't want to wait for the video to download. They'd rather use on-demand cable, which is instantaneous. That's been out for years and has done little. Also, people want hard media in their hands that they can play whenever they want.
Interesting this comes out a few days after netflix announced they are no longer even renting HD-DVD.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/16005.cfm
Ever since HD-DVD "lost" the HD war, many of its zealots have been saying that downloads are the winner. It was an almost overnight transition for them -- out of bitterness. The article reads like someone who is spewing HD-DVD bitterness after a final death rattle. |
Uh, I never posted it as a fact or my opinion, just see the link below. But the author, who happens to be an A/V expert, gives valid reasons how Blu Ray has messed up even after the fall of HD DVD.
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A lot of so-called, "experts" have said a great many things. "Experts" are a dime a dozen these days.
Hindsight is 20-20. I'm not a fan of some of the things that blu-ray has done, either.
I'll bet this same "expert" was a fan of HD-DVD. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| So what are your points to say Blu Ray isn't dead, "expert?" I'm not saying I necessarily agree that Blu Ray is dying, but the blogger IS a guy paid to do A/V and does make valid points. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/10/17/sony-blu-ray-sales-bva-show-396-increase/
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Blu-ray was embroiled in a format war with HD DVD, and it was the former that was victories. The new enemy for Sony�s Blu-ray was the state of the economy, as this would deter consumers from digging deep to part with the case to purchase a Blu-ray movies, as they are more expensive than a standard DVD.
This; However does not seem to be the case, as the British Video Association (BVA) have realized new sales figures, and it shows that UK Blu-ray movie sales have increased by 396%. These figures show that Blu-ray movies sales are better than ever.
These year-to-date figures are just short of 1.5 million units. This is a vast improvement, but the only way that they can drive these Blu-ray movie sales up are by reducing the price. I love purchasing movies, but paying over �20 for one is just wrong. |
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/28/blu-ray-sales-see-massive-increase-finally-outselling-dvd/
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Blu-ray isn�t dead yet. Sales of Blu-ray players in Japan topped sales of regular DVD players for the first time last month, an indication that consumers are finally warming up to the high-def format. Spun a different way, sales of Blu-ray alone in April were three times the amount of both Blu-ray and HD DVD combined in January.
Reasons for the sudden uptick in sales include people finally coming to terms with the end of the high-def format war to HDTVs no longer being seen as a luxury, but merely the type of TV that one buys now.
Sales are expected to rise even further as manufacturers slash prices in the run-up to the Beijing Olympics.
I�ll get by with rips, thanks. |
http://www.tvpredictions.com/blusales041808.htm
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News
Blu-ray Disc Sales Up 351 Percent
The boost puts the DVD industry in the black.
By Swanni
Washington, D.C. (April 18, 2008) -- Blu-ray disc sales jumped 351 percent in the first three months of this year, according to Home Media Magazine research.
The high-def disc format benefited from increased awareness of the category and Toshiba's decision to exit the HD DVD business at the end of March, ceding victory to Blu-ray.
Home Media reports that the rise in Blu-ray sales led to the first increase in consumer spending on home video in two years. In 2007, total sales fell 0.5 percent and they decreased 0.4 percent in 2006.
But the publication writes that consumer spending was up one percent in the first three months of 2008, totaling $5.51 billion, compared to the first three months of 2007.
Sales rose 2.3 percent while rental spending fell 1.6 percent.
The rise in Blu-ray sales explains why the Hollywood film studios are anxious to promote the new high-def disc. Many executives believe it can help revitalize the dormant DVD industry. |
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2008/11/08/the-dark-knight-expected-to-break-blu-ray-sales-records/
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Warner Home Video is expected to ship more than one million The Dark Knight Blu-ray Discs to retailers on December 9. One million units would be record breaking since most initial first week shipments have been well below a million units. The expectations are high that The Dark Knight will sell more units then any other Blu-ray movie to date.
According to Video Business, Warner Home Video is expected to break the all time high set by Iron Man which sold over 500,000 copies during its first week. It is evident that there is a gradual increase in the overall Blu-ray shipments and sales over time.
Initially when Sony shipped 100,000 Blu-ray discs of Casino Royale, it created quite a stir in the media industry. However with Iron Man selling over 500,000 units and The Dark Knight expected to sell one million units during its first week, it is evident that Blu-ray adoption is growing at a rapid rate.
According to statistics, Blu-ray movies averaged 5 to 10 percent of the total sales of the title. However, recently many of the titles have surpassed the 10 percent mark, with some reaching as much as 14 percent.
Iron Man is said to have accounted for approximately 30 pecent of its total sales at some retail locations. With many retailers pushing Blu-ray as the next must buy holiday gift, movie sales can only increase dramatically in the coming months.
Retailers such as Wal-Mart are currently holding a promotion where customers can receive a $100 gift card with the purchase of a Blu-ray player. Amazon is also holding a special promotion where customers can receive a $100 discount off a Blu-ray player purchase.
The question remains if Blu-ray can sustain its momentum all the way into next year. With sales of flat panel TVs on the rise and with the increase in hi-definition awareness, sales are expected to triple by the end of next year. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Blu-ray can still succeed, but as others have said, they'll have to lower prices on discs.
They've already lost a lot of people, including myself, with exorbitant prices. I love music and movies, and like to have a nice collection. But I can't afford to buy 300 movies on DVD, even though having DVDs on a shelf looks a lot better than ripped copies in a case.
Eg. 5 or 6 years ago I bought one or two CDs a week, would have bought more if I could have afforded it. Trying to save money I turned to bittorrent. Now CD prices have come down and we have Itunes music store, but I am used to downloading and will probably never buy a CD again. They lost me. If they had started $5 CDs back then I would have been buying 5 a week and still been saving money.
2 years ago I still bought DVDs, especially TV series. While on a trip to Yongsan a friend told me I was mad spending 20,000won on a box set. He told me to start downloading and burning my own DVDs. Now I will most likely never buy another DVD. They lost me again.
At the moment I see blu-ray files at 40Gb+ which is a little large, so I would obviously prefer to buy. But not at the current prices. As HD sizes increase and the internet gets faster, hopefully, they will have to do something not to lose me again, like keep prices affordable.
They'll also have to stat synchronizing releases better internationally. No one likes to wait. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well, player prices are coming down. You can now get a BD-Live player for $100 with a special offer (they go on and off), or $200 outright in the USA. They're down to 315,000 in Korea for the newest Samsung model.
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That's almost the same price as a PS3.
The PS3 really is a bargain when you consider what it does. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Well, player prices are coming down. You can now get a BD-Live player for $100 with a special offer (they go on and off), or $200 outright in the USA. They're down to 315,000 in Korea for the newest Samsung model.
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That's almost the same price as a PS3.
The PS3 really is a bargain when you consider what it does. |
It really angers me that Korea jacks prices up so high on local product. It costs less in the USA, yet it is made here! |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Ukon wrote: |
Nothing better than blu-ray is coming out for a long time....Ultra HD is the next format and it's gonna require a new generation of TVs vastly superior to what's out now.
However Ultra HD is awesome from what I've heard....it's like watching real life through a window. |
emmm what about memory chips? wouldnt that be the next logical choice?
I actually thought it was going to by pass Blu Ray and be the next thing, but I guess they have brought out blu ray another way to make money on new machines and discs etc.. Blu Ray wont be around long... I give it 10 years, then the next medium is out..
what format hits mainstream in blockbuster is the real question.. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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It took about 8 years for DVDs to completely supplant videos dispite the many, obvious advantages (better quality, smaller size, durability, multiple audio tracks/subtitles, instant skipping, no rewinding after viewing.)
Blueray, though superior to DVDs can only claim quality and storage space as its advantages over DVD. It may take a while before it completely takes over. |
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