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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original post went south right after compaing the SM5 to a Nissan Maxima. They are not even remotely similar.
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ffl007



Joined: 01 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 12:48 am    Post subject: TO: Cthulhu Reply with quote

remotely similar?

They are the same car!
Do a little research!



Renault reinforces its presence in Japan
with the support of Nissan


Committed to international profitable growth, the Renault-Nissan Alliance is initiating a new area of cooperation aiming at strengthening Renault's presence in Japan. Renault has the ambition, with the help of Nissan, to increase its sales in Japan up to 15,000 vehicles in 2004 and 30,000 units in the longer term, which would make it one of the leading importers in the country by 2010. To that end, Renault is creating Renault Japon, a wholly-owned subsidiary, which will rely on strong Nissan support on the one hand, and its current importer France Motors on the other hand for a period of three years, to develop its sales in Japan. In addition, the marketing of Renault vehicles will enable the Nissan distribution network to extend its product offering and thus attract new customers. Leveraging Nissan's infrastructure will allow Renault to speed up its growth in Japan while minimizing the related costs and investments. Renault will invest new financial resources in the project, amounting to FRF 260 million ( 4.0 billion yen) over a three-year period.

Renault will set up as of May 1 a wholly-owned subsidiary, Renault Japon, which will be the exclusive importer of Renault vehicles in Japan. The company will be headed by Roberto Pallotta, formerly Sales and Marketing Director of Renault Italy. From May 10, Nissan will market Renault vehicles, while France Motors, Renault's current importer and distributor which has successfully managed to increase Renault sales in Japan for the last years, will continue its distribution activity during a transition period of three years. Renault has been present commercially on the Japanese market since 1986, and signed an exclusive import and distribution contract with France Motors in May 1994. Renault sales in 1999 were over 3,000 vehicles in Japan.

Nissan will provide support for Renault's full-fledged entry into the Japanese market. In 2000, there will be some 50 Nissan outlets marketing Renault vehicles. This dealer network will gradually be developed to reach more than 150 outlets in the longer term. In addition to building the sales network, in its role as a distributor, Nissan will provide sales outlet management and follow-up, conduct sales staff training, promote sales and run local advertising campaigns. Nissan will also furnish a system for handling customer orders for vehicles and service parts, as well as being responsible for logistics operations to sales outlets. Moreover, Nissan's existing back office will be used by Renault Japon to support certain importer functions, such as predelivery inspection (PDI) work.

In marketing Renault vehicles, the brand identities of both Nissan and Renault products will remain completely separate. This policy will be observed at all sales outlets, regardless of whether they are dedicated outlets or outlets that sell both companies' vehicles.

Nissan dealers will be able to cultivate new customers, different from traditional Nissan buyers, by selling a completely new product lineup.

This cooperation is the first benefit of the Renault-Nissan Alliance directly passed on to the customers.
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, relax, take a few breaths and just move on.

I don't see what the big deal is. My grandparents lived through the war, my parents, uncles and aunts grew up in the troubled times during the reconstruction, and they hold no grudge. I'm not so sure whether being angry or disappointed will do anything except sap your energy.

Which could be quite proper at the moment. Your post was absolutely FILLED with high intensity.. :)

Relax and roll with it.. :)

jae.
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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remotely similar?

They are the same car!
Do a little research!


I stand corrected, the SM5 is based on a 5-year-old Maxima.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_40/b3802159.htm

So now I see how the SM5 is "the same car" as a Maxima, as you put it. Confused Considering the "little research" I did I'll still take the Maxima any day.
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saharzie



Joined: 22 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

waahwaaaah..those bad Japanese. Get over it. Show me a country that hasn't been persecuted by another. Thats life. Koreans should stop wallowing in their victimhood mentality. Japan is bad. Yeh, I feel for you.
the Koreans can act and did act just as harshly against other countries citizens. But of course their suffering was not as bad as the poor, maligned Koreans.... Rolling Eyes
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peppergirl



Joined: 07 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my 2 cents... The problem is not only the cruel things Japan did when they occupied Korea, but the fact that they don't admit or apologize for it, and that younger Japanese have no idea about all these things. My husband used to translate sometimes for groups of Japanese students visiting Korea, and after they hear what their ancestors did, they ALL cry. They just have no idea, and this is what keeps bothering Koreans.
A friend in Japan who is a missionary there, organizes yearly trips to Korea and China for his boy scouts and parish members. He always takes them to Nanjing/Nanking. Same effect, they are all very shocked.

One of my grandparents is Chinese, and it's not only Koreans who dislike Japanese for what they did. My grandmother had to escape from the Japanese soldiers, dressed as a boy and with mud on her face, hoping they wouldn't rape her if they caught her (which they luckily never did, or I would probably never have been born).
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the Koreans can act and did act just as harshly against other countries citizens

I'm not sure about this. From my reading of Korean history, Koreans are reletavely unique in the sense that they have never tried to expand and conquer other territories, they have just defended their borders. Both Japan and China have been tried to annex Korea by force over and over for several thousand years.
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ratslash



Joined: 08 May 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans forget... Reply with quote

ffl007 wrote:
Does everyone see how popular Sony products are here?
Or even the SM5 (Basically a Nissan Maxima)
Lexus for the people who can afford them. Also all the crap merchandise made in China? Chances are You own at least 5 items made in China.

The natives forget how much misery these two countries placed on Korea.

Facts

Japan Then: Colonized Korea and tried to totally wipe out Korea's traditions, language and culture. They used thousands of Korean females as sex slaves during WWII.

Japan Now: Japanese school texts are written in such a way as to make Japan look like a perfect neighbor. There are no references to the crimes commited by the past governments.

China Then: They sent so called 100,000 volunteers to overrun Korea during the Korean war.

China Now: No freedom of speech, constant relgious persecution, technology theft the list goes on (China welcomes companies with open arms, after a few years the knowhow, ideas and technology are duplicated for a fraction of the cost. Thereby the original company can't compete and is forced to close down. Do some searching on the net there are many documented articles)


erm, forgive and forget i think is the term.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Facts

Japan Then: Colonized Korea and tried to totally wipe out Korea's traditions, language and culture. They used thousands of Korean females as sex slaves during WWII.

Japan Now: Japanese school texts are written in such a way as to make Japan look like a perfect neighbor. There are no references to the crimes commited by the past governments.



Ive heard all this kind of stuff from Koreans before. That the Japanese do not write about the occupation of Korea (they do). That the Japanese never paid reparations (yes they did - click here). That the Japanese never apologised (they did many times).

The history of Japan and Korea is much more complicated than the Koreans make it out to be. Go and re-educate yourself by reading ģ���ĸ� ���� ���� (in defense of the pro-japanese).


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My husband used to translate sometimes for groups of Japanese students visiting Korea, and after they hear what their ancestors did, they ALL cry.


Absolutely disgusting. I would cry too if my tourguide started attacking me for something I had nothing to do with. Utterly pernicious!
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saharzie



Joined: 22 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at the brutal way the Koreans acted in Vietnam..they were more feared than the Americans by many Vietnamese. So the Japanese do not put it in their textbooks.Do the Koreans put that episode in theirs? Does any country?
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saharzie is on the money here.

ROK forces were renowned by all the US Allied forces as the hardest bastards out in the fields. I think the soldiers still had the fresh memory of Communist expansionist policy on their minds after the 50's, and these guys had seen the direct results of it.

I'm not excusing, but trying to explain. :)

jae.
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Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that there are Korean communities in Japan. I wonder if there are any Japanese living in Korea?
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder if there are any Japanese living in Korea?


I met some, though I think the numbers are small. Some were teaching in Korean hagwans(!) and some were married to Korean men. But as living a community? Not many I think.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea wasn't originally one country however, so I don't know about that talk about not expanding their borders. If we're talking about that last dynasty however, the Chosun dynasty, then it's true... Wink

I wonder who knows the most about Korean history on this board? The most interesting piece on Korean/Japanese relations to me is Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt Rocks, the 150m or so long group of two 'islands' in between Korea and Japan. Spain and Morocco fight over something just as petty though, so it's not just an Asian thing.
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matko



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Korea wasn't originally one country however, so I don't know about that talk about not expanding their borders. If we're talking about that last dynasty however, the Chosun dynasty, then it's true... Wink

I wonder who knows the most about Korean history on this board? The most interesting piece on Korean/Japanese relations to me is Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt Rocks, the 150m or so long group of two 'islands' in between Korea and Japan. Spain and Morocco fight over something just as petty though, so it's not just an Asian thing.


It's not so petty when you consider that the country who owns those islands has exclusive rights to the natural resources surrounding them.
I believe it is a 200 km radius.
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